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ordinary people are seeing extraordinary

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things in our skies but how has it

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changed those involved from author Ryan

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Sprague somewhere in the skies a human

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approach to an alien phenomenon is a

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personal journey that also weaves

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together a story of stories furiously

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pumping new blood into the heart of

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these mysteries one experience at a time

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now available on Amazon in paperback and

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somewhere in the skies calm

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this is somewhere in the sky's the

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Branzburg

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gather together from the cosmic reaches

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of the universe here in this Great Hall

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of Justice are the most powerful forces

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there's an attack dummy I

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need warriors just like a bat I dig it

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what are your superpowers again rich

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hey guys Ryan sprek here and today is a

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very special bonus episode where I sit

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down with two of my close friends and

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podcast colleagues Nick westmeyer and

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Christmas hosts of the two dumb dads

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podcast and today we are reviewing the

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recent Warner Brothers and DC film

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Justice League now despite this film

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involving evil aliens it doesn't really

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fit the mold of UFOs which you're used

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to hearing and that's because you are

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listening to a new edition of the show

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where I bring guests on from time to

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time to review movies we did this once

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before with the remake of the movie it

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we had Andrew Sanford on so this is

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something I'm really looking forward to

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doing moving forward with somewhere in

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again and talking about something very

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close to my heart and that is movies as

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some of you may know or may not know

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when I'm not podcasting or hunting UFOs

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I am a professional film and stage

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writer so cinema has a very special

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place in my heart and so do comic books

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Batman in particular so as you'll be

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able to tell in this review I am very

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passionate about the Caped Crusader and

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superhero films in general and so are my

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guests Nick and Chris I think it goes

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without warning but this is an extremely

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spoil heavy review so if you haven't

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seen the movie yet and plan on it you

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may want to wait till after to give this

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episode a listen either way I think

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you're really gonna dig this one stay

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tuned for more bonus movie reviews and

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also stay tuned for more news on the

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upcoming two dumb dads podcast hosted by

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Nick and Chris that'll be available soon

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bye Third Kind productions so without

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further adieu did bats Supes Wonder

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Woman flash cyborg and fish man live up

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to the hype was there any hype and what

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is going on with Henry Cavill upper lip

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seriously come together right now and

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alright guys welcome to somewhere in the

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skies I am Ryan Sprague and today is a

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very special day if you haven't seen it

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already I highly suggest going out and

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checking out this movie whether you like

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it or not we are going to be talking

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Justice League and with me today I have

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the two hosts of the upcoming two dumb

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what's going on gentlemen hey not too

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much how you doing Ryan I am doing great

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I first of all I have to thank you guys

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all of us have been talking about this

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movie for a while now it's come it's

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what the hell happened with DC but it's

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this is not the podcast people are going

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to expect we all have very different

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feelings on this movie which i think is

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gonna be interesting before we even get

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to that guys please tell me what we can

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expect from the upcoming to dumb dad's

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podcast I love the title yeah we were

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very excited about it honestly this kind

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of comes out of the last year of our

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always expected that when we we became

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parents and suddenly you get that

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magical knowledge that always

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I that was certain it was gonna happen I

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was gonna wake up one day and suddenly

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become my dad and it turns out I I may

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have become my dad simply because I have

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no idea what I'm doing and so I like we

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decided we're gonna start up a podcast

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and kind of catalog back kind of keep

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track of our ignorant throughout the

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years and see how it goes in perspective

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of two people who grew up together going

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to college similar careers and they're

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upbringing and how that has affected

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parenting and how we view things and how

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we handle things but then also just how

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life's changed as as men and like how we

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handle that and what's different in our

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lives was no year ago or two years ago

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or in the plane of having kids etc so

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preview episode of your guys show and

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what I would I think very exclusive very

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to the point where you even called me

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out in the show I was very honored

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but um first of all good point Chris

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that you know we do believe that our

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parents are perfect you know that that

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wisdom Giver but that's not necessarily

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gave me you guys do disagree on

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different ways and aspects of raising we

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disagree on pretty much everything

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wrong about things nope well guys I'm

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really looking forward to that you're

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both first-time dads that's correct

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correct yeah this hope so yeah right

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that you both know yeah that's a

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terrifying thing right no I assure you

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well everybody out there this is the

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first time my only time we'll see what

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happens after that though oh well I do

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look forward to that guys you know I may

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not be a parent but I think everyone can

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clean something from something like this

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young guys living in one of the craziest

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places in the world or should I say next

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to one of the craziest places in the

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world and raising a child so I think

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crazier than New York oh yeah we have

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where we live yeah I might just have to

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make it over there we'll see we'll see

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we miss you Ryan we miss you I'm you've

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been in this neck of the woods I have

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so the real reason we are here today is

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to talk about Justice League before we

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to ask you about your history with I

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guess comic books in general and DC

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expansive universe that we've grown to

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on what you guys what what what is your

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connection to the DC Universe sure Nick

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thank you one of the first yes first no

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so my fiction comics go back to being a

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kid so my dad bought comic books for

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some of the youngest of five for two of

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my brothers the one closest to me and

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the one before him so we had over 15,000

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since I was a little kid but I I've

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character and my brother's favorite

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character Christopher Reeves and the

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first Superman film was one of the

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I was like great I can do that he's six

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foot two and well you know I just

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certainly did not hide that

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my childhood growing up and these

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stories influenced everything from how I

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played to what I wanted to read it also

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of what got me into reading because I

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storytelling so it became my primary

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superhero movies both the DC and the

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Marvel because it basically was like my

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childhood coming to life and in the case

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of Marvel really successfully and in the

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that's probably what we'll get into as

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people on screen because it's like going

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selfishly I'm always like maybe I'll get

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myself as a mid-tier comic book nerd

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when I was young I of course was first

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introduced by this biotech comic book

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characters the same way I think a lot of

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people of my generation were through the

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the Tim Burton Batman movies and the

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the Spider Men and so it wasn't until

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about high school that I realized that

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these amazing characters I loved so much

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came in a comic book and so as soon as I

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where I spending my entire paychecks

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every week at the Etha the comic book

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shop I think you know 40 50 dollars

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worth of books back in the day when they

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buying everything if it came on a book

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and I it had a superhero on it I bought

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it and then that lasted me through about

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college when you know everybody goes

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broke and so did I so I haven't been

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reading as much as I used to but I still

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keep up on the old Wikipedia I try and

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new 52 that's now the old 52 but there's

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a new new 52 I don't know it's all

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confusing

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so you know they're just they're they're

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retconning everything for the one

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millionth time but the important thing

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ever since I saw the initial Tim Burton

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movie so I love this stuff I enjoy the

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stuff and I love to discuss it I think

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all three of us can really agree that

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you know it really started with us with

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Batman Superman Nick I knew a man was a

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huge part of your upbringing yeah Chris

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liked you Batman was huge for me I read

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the Detective Comics I grew up on the

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timber in the the original movie

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so that seeing that character come to

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life for the umpteenth time now in

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cinema was refreshing no matter how the

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movie panned out it was that you guys

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his first movie because it was my first

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movie going experience was seeing Timber

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first movie I would have to say it was

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one of my first for sure I know my

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grandmother had a VHS of it shortly

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after it it came out in theatres and

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then got on tape and I wore that thing

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out so much yeah Batman was huge it was

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huge for me and I do believe it was one

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of my first cinematic experiences and

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you know again we've got the the

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Christopher Nolan ones we've got Adam

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West we've got Michael Keaton we've got

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the horrible Inbetweeners that we won't

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mention but there's those there are

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those but even this new one guys like

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he's said Nick just seeing these

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characters come to life no matter who's

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playing them no matter how the movie

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pans out it is exciting and I think we

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will get into that as well no matter

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what we think of this movie it's amazing

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to see these characters come to life

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absolutely I I never thought I was

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seeing Aquaman on screen let alone

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seeing the idea of a realistic serious

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Green Lantern which I thought was

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amazing seeing those those guys in the

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background that they wore sequences

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mm-hmm yeah we will get to that but I

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guess for any of our listeners first of

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all we must warn them this is going to

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be an extremely spoil heavy episode they

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reviews already spoiled that Bart Hass

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it really is yeah if you blinked like

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you wouldn't have seen that Green

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Lantern part I feel so well let's let's

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give a little premise here guys I'm just

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gonna read the pretty brief summary of

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this movie for the listeners so here we

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go hmm fueled by his restored faith in

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humanity and inspired by Superman's

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selfless act Bruce Wayne and lists

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newfound Ally Diana Prince to face an

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even greater threat together Batman and

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Wonder Woman work quickly to recruit a

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team to stand against this newly

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awakened enemy we'll get to that enemy

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despite the formation of an

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unprecedented League of Heroes Batman

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Wonder Woman Aquaman or Aquaman as

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Jeremy Irons calls him cyborg and the

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flesh it may be too late to save the

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planet from an assault of catastrophic

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proportions

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okay I thought you guys got through this

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yeah maybe so first of all we are at a

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41 percent on Rotten Tomatoes for this

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movie so not exactly the best so

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where's the Man of Steel higher the

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Batman vs Superman

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exactly so that let's talk about that

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first we got oh we had the Man of Steel

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we had Batman vs Superman then we had

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Wonder Woman Widow then we had Suicide

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Squad I

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forgot about that I never even saw that

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one guy oh that was a brilliant piece of

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cinematic history which I think will

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live on it for the ages in the worst

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please never come back Jared Leto moving

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and then we got Wonder Woman which was

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an incredible film I mean pretty weird

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from what I can tell I think it was a

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good film I had a lot of problems with

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the depiction of Wonder Woman

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for the most part I really bothered me

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how childish they portrayed her

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throughout the entire film where it

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seems like every little they had a book

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on the island that would explain every

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minor nuance with a man that didn't

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exist but as soon as she left that

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Island oh I'm sorry we we're close now

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please explain to me young man how do we

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wear clothes oh

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but that's still good that makes sense

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because that's not something we

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explained in the Amazon culture when

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they're how many thousands of years

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behind what she's walking into like it's

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this idea of discovering discovering a

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new world discovering it's all about her

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not being sheltered on this island which

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she's been sheltered for let's say she's

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30 years

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old right right so yeah you would have

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all this discovery it's not just gonna

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be like oh yeah people in suit jackets

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and pants and slacks and shoes and

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dresses like I'm cool with that I know

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all that stuff in a film about having a

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God come down and do whatever a god is

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doing it seems as though you can make a

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certain leap of into of whatever and say

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that okay it would make sense for her to

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be childish and naive but maybe just

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maybe we're gonna take this feminist

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icon and make her knowledgeable about

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the world and have her lead the way

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through this story

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having her be handheld by the man but

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that's different that's different than

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the whole story the whole story is her

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discovering a new world so it makes

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sense in in the context of that story if

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you wanted like the story yes yeah

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that's fine but if you didn't like them

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that shouldn't be a story about her

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first getting off the island it should

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have taken place so then you have a

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different movie you have what

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essentially is gonna be the sequel to

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the first movie which that's fine but

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I'm just saying like if you're gonna

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have her opt out immediately you're

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gonna have some naivety I just think it

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makes sense and storytelling to me that

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makes yeah you wouldn't know what

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everything this is around her I think I

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see both sides of that for sure then she

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kicks him ass through a trench warfare

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yes but

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the action was amazing in that movie

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that I can definitely agree on the

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cinematography was gorgeous well in

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terms of that let's move on to what came

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next no we have to do we do we do

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gentlemen because we we have some stake

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in this we are comic-book fans one of us

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might be

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friends with one of the superheroes in

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he did a great great job we will get to

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him though he did what I want to what I

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want to talk to you guys about before we

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get to

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the overall plot and what we think of it

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is there there were two pretty big

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controversies before the movie came out

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now one we have the horrible tragedy

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that happened to the director Zack

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Snyder he had to leave during the pretty

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much towards the end am I correct in

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that of filming indoors there's a lot of

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debate with that some people are saying

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that and this is something that's

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happening out at this film with the call

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for his cut of the movie right is how

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much was done when he had to leave so I

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was under the understanding also from a

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friend of ours that a big portion of it

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was pretty much shot and if that's the

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case then you know are there basically

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two versions of this film kind of

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floating around because when when the

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new director came in Whedon he did

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extensive reshoots and I thought that

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might be because he also has a comic

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book writer was like this stuff needs to

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go in a different direction than where

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it currently is yeah yeah I am I I don't

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want to speak ill of somebody who's

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going through a major life crisis

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because I mean nobody deserves to go

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through what he's going through but I

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feel like you can kind of watch that

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movie and see Joss Whedon's hand in that

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film pretty clearly the

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script like he got script button credits

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I

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was trying to pay attention at the

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beginning but this is another thing Zack

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Snyder's openings are always very

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interesting no matter what you think of

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him as a filmmaker I think he really can

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draw you in from the beginning of his

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films whether it's through music or just

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the way he shoots it this one had a

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really interesting one as well well did

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you definitely get into yeah

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this is my kind of like my overall

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thought because I think it'll pepper my

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opinion as going forward yeah it was the

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most comic book II movie that I've seen

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both in positive and negative ways I I

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don't really get what you're so like I

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felt like you like you get a comic book

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you can you calm books they're just

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really bad the storylines are you can

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get comics that are just amazing right

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they store outside expectations but

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there's a lot of comics where you're

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kind of like okay that's kind of how I

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thought I was like but it felt there's a

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lot of things that felt like a comic

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book to me and I did appreciate that I

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can expand on that as we go like moments

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that felt that way don't like comic to

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me in a lot of ways and maybe that was

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Whedon's influence over Snyder's initial

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vision which maybe did or did not work

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in some parts yeah and the other thing

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that I think may have worked or not

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worked was the choice of music now we

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had an entire score apparently done for

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this movie and then was scrapped when

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Whedon came in is this at all know about

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yeah no I think about that I think if

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the guy who scored it was the gentleman

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who did the guy who did Wonder Woman

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score for with like the guitar like yep

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yeah I think we didn't came in and

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brought in Elfman which I think that was

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a great decision because Elfman brought

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in themes from the original Tim Burton

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Batman which I thought was awesome yes

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and also brought in stuff from the John

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Williams Superman themes I thought the

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me I thought changing the musical Tori

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was good I did not like the score the

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dude did from Wonder Woman in Batman vs

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Superman he used he used it but I would

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much prefer like for a movie like

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Justice League or vendors like that kind

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of big orchestra classic epic / like I'm

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gonna throw some electric guitar in

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there cuz it's cool I'm because I mean I

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think I disagree with that I'm not

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saying I liked it by any means I'm

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saying I think it fit the styles of the

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film

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these aren't classically shot big

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sweeping Panem panoramas whatever these

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are very CG very green-screen very empty

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films and I think those electric guitar

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riffs that you're talking about really

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play into the the style of the action

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and the feel of the films that Zack

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Snyder's going for in the first place

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you have Danny Elfman and like oh no III

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would rather have none of these films

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and have all of Danny Elfman but I think

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what he's doing is fitting the Zack

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Snyder mold yeah I completely I I again

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this is another another time where I

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could see both sides of it and it really

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depends on if you're leaning more

542
00:22:42,909 --> 00:22:40,129
towards a comic book movie or a

543
00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:42,919
cinematic experience which way they can

544
00:22:47,129 --> 00:22:45,230
be married together but I just don't

545
00:22:49,389 --> 00:22:47,139
know when it comes to the music well I

546
00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:49,399
like did you guys think so I definitely

547
00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:51,470
I don't know this movie knew what it

548
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:52,940
wanted to be I don't know if it wanted

549
00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:54,500
to be a Zack Snyder film or Josh Whedon

550
00:22:59,860 --> 00:22:57,019
film because no it didn't and that was

551
00:23:01,810 --> 00:22:59,870
very clear there there was no they never

552
00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:01,820
came through and blended those two

553
00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:04,309
styles together they shot whatever they

554
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:06,950
shot and then Joss Whedon came in did

555
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:09,049
some reshoots and it was very clear

556
00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:10,250
because there would be a very serious

557
00:23:14,259 --> 00:23:12,440
moment that all of a sudden seemed to

558
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:14,269
take on a completely different tone and

559
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:16,850
then returned very abruptly to the very

560
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,460
serious moments and it was it was very

561
00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:21,200
clear it didn't feel funny it felt

562
00:23:25,629 --> 00:23:23,990
really awkward and hamstrung yes I agree

563
00:23:27,399 --> 00:23:25,639
with you completely Chris this is a

564
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:27,409
movie where it's clear there were two

565
00:23:31,259 --> 00:23:30,169
writers and almost two directors I guess

566
00:23:35,499 --> 00:23:31,269
oh

567
00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:35,509
you could tell almost shot-for-shot who

568
00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:38,440
did what and that is the sign that this

569
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:40,870
movie was not ready by the least I don't

570
00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:42,970
think it ever was and let's talk about

571
00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:45,460
that no we we had the Marvel Universe

572
00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:48,280
that has been so carefully planned out

573
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:52,150
for so long we we got the origin stories

574
00:23:57,210 --> 00:23:55,090
of every character pretty much that led

575
00:24:01,790 --> 00:23:57,220
us up to we're almost at infinity Wars

576
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:05,190
meet - man me - I've loved it but then

577
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:08,740
here we have another franchise who has

578
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:11,260
such a rich history with two of the most

579
00:24:15,530 --> 00:24:14,230
iconic superheroes of all maybe three I

580
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:15,540
should say

581
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:19,510
yes wonder what I mean yeah it's a Holy

582
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:21,250
Trinity everybody is supposed to know

583
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:23,170
those three characters and comic books

584
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:25,720
exactly know when they rust it off the

585
00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:27,090
top

586
00:24:34,650 --> 00:24:31,300
as possible and also we get a few other

587
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:34,660
of our Justice League members and we

588
00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:36,730
don't know we've never met these people

589
00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:39,040
before why are we going to give a [\h__\h]

590
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:41,470
about them so let's talk about that we

591
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:43,690
have an opening to this movie where we

592
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:45,930
get introduced to each character now

593
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:48,010
what did you guys think of the way they

594
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:50,530
handled this in terms of bringing the

595
00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:52,450
team together we get to see all of them

596
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:54,340
before this happens any of them really

597
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:56,980
stick out to you as as good or sincere

598
00:25:01,860 --> 00:24:58,810
or what do you guys thoughts on that I

599
00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:01,870
felt like they were trying to do a good

600
00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:05,230
job with it and I think that destroyed

601
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:07,420
the movie and what I mean by that is

602
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:09,370
that they took I think an hour and a

603
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:11,170
half or something to get all of these

604
00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:13,990
characters together which makes sense

605
00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:15,580
because we've never been introduced to

606
00:25:20,610 --> 00:25:17,800
them the characters like I like Aquaman

607
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:20,620
and Cyborg are kind of well they've been

608
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,020
around forever they're kind of abstract

609
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:25,840
in most regular average people who don't

610
00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:28,450
follow comic books as the joke of non

611
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:30,150
comic them

612
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:32,770
right and I think because they had to

613
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:34,210
take so long to bring these guys

614
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:37,990
together that it it took the entire film

615
00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:40,150
and so the film's suffered because they

616
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:43,660
had one insanely long first act no

617
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:46,210
second act and then a big battle for a

618
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:48,310
third act and that was that oh there's a

619
00:25:59,249 --> 00:25:57,419
the first act where they're bringing the

620
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,259
team together well I can't wait till you

621
00:26:02,999 --> 00:26:01,360
get to that something to is Warner

622
00:26:04,619 --> 00:26:03,009
Brothers made them from everything I've

623
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:04,629
read because I've done as much as I

624
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:06,610
could about the film that was one of the

625
00:26:10,889 --> 00:26:08,379
big issues is Warner Brothers made them

626
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:10,899
cut that film down just under two hours

627
00:26:15,389 --> 00:26:13,179
so they basically were like yo you can't

628
00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:15,399
make a long movie which I think you know

629
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,840
when you're trying to tell this huge

630
00:26:19,499 --> 00:26:18,159
story and you haven't introduced all

631
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:19,509
these characters like you said Chris

632
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,330
you're screwed just like okay well I

633
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,440
guess we'll just like

634
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:27,700
I'm sorry

635
00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:30,580
why the [\h__\h] would Warner Brothers with

636
00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:33,220
the biggest movie that they're making

637
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:36,190
with all of their characters why would

638
00:26:39,629 --> 00:26:38,289
they choose this movie to make one of

639
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:39,639
the shorter ones and that makes it

640
00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:41,769
absolutely no sense because it's the

641
00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:43,179
word about Marvel and they're worried

642
00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:44,740
about I think Zack Snyder's piece and

643
00:26:47,489 --> 00:26:45,999
storytelling after everything with

644
00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:47,499
Batman vs Superman were like oh it's

645
00:26:51,149 --> 00:26:49,629
boring and ya know did you guys actually

646
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,159
hear there was a new report out recently

647
00:26:55,109 --> 00:26:53,679
where that may address this

648
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:55,119
they said the big reason why they

649
00:27:00,090 --> 00:26:57,820
couldn't go back and delay the film was

650
00:27:01,639 --> 00:27:00,100
because producers bonuses were tied at

651
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,649
this I saw that's

652
00:27:09,619 --> 00:27:03,240
so

653
00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:09,629
probably came down to is that the

654
00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:11,740
there's some sort of a merger or a

655
00:27:16,529 --> 00:27:13,539
buyout or something that may or may not

656
00:27:19,409 --> 00:27:16,539
happen and subsequently if they pushed

657
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:19,419
back the film there may not they may not

658
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,369
be with the studio anymore and so now

659
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:22,720
the studio anymore with the film

660
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:25,690
releases those bonuses go away now of

661
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:27,730
course the same thing can be true of the

662
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,950
if it's good so even if it's good and

663
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:32,080
they get that you know whatever rotten

664
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,090
tomato box office whatever bonus Nick's

665
00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:36,159
talking about here if they're not with

666
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:37,720
the studio they still don't get that

667
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:41,110
bonus either so they cut the running

668
00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:43,210
time why you know why you would be like

669
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,379
yeah I get this thing under two hours

670
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:46,860
guys gotta get it out the door

671
00:27:52,889 --> 00:27:49,809
yeah I think that's it like we live in

672
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:52,899
such a world now where we consume things

673
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:54,970
so quickly we want it short and sweet

674
00:27:59,279 --> 00:27:56,950
and like you said they're they're trying

675
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,289
to sort of go off the Marvel platform of

676
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:01,320
shorter is better

677
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:04,050
and I just think they can't with the

678
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:05,700
writers and directors they're choosing

679
00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:09,150
for DC they can't do that and model has

680
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,070
three hours to tell their stories and

681
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:13,740
Marvel has the added benefit of ten

682
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,510
years worth of movies and game like well

683
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:17,640
you already know these stories so then

684
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:19,230
there's can be two hours and you can be

685
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:21,810
happy with it it's just as someone on my

686
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,510
Facebook Wall put it it's just oxen

687
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:26,700
figures going smash which I'm okay with

688
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:29,250
you sure well when it comes down to it

689
00:28:33,410 --> 00:28:31,170
guys that's what it is like when we

690
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,420
really think about it a lot of these

691
00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:35,580
movies are made to sell toys to sell

692
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:37,590
comics they sell merchandise that's what

693
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:39,390
it is now I would say that Marvel

694
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:41,430
there's a little bit better of a job of

695
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:43,710
actually like caring about what they're

696
00:28:48,530 --> 00:28:46,740
doing and I do sincerely think a lot of

697
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:48,540
people at DC care about these people

698
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:51,630
these characters but the question is

699
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,540
does anybody here at Warner Brothers

700
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,880
that's a very good not only that but

701
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:59,760
that money plays such a big part in all

702
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:02,100
this and the movies are suffering in

703
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:04,890
terms of which characters someone can

704
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,930
use oh wait Sony has this we can't use

705
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,720
that Marvin this we can't use that this

706
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:12,240
story is inevitably going to suffer I

707
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:14,100
feel when it comes down to that now

708
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:16,110
we're seeing with Sony and Marvel that

709
00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:17,850
they are they are able to make something

710
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,950
like that work so that sure that's good

711
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,440
that's cool whatever yeah I want more of

712
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,720
that those spider-man homecoming movies

713
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:26,880
to come out they were that was awesome

714
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:29,730
but it was great it was fun yeah but

715
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:31,560
then we're moving back over to the

716
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,540
darker I would say of the comic book

717
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:35,610
franchises and Warner Brothers just

718
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:38,130
doesn't know what they're doing well

719
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:40,830
they really don't seem to because I I

720
00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:44,310
have God the I think the biggest

721
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:47,040
condemnation I can make of this film is

722
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:49,970
that they took five of the biggest

723
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:53,190
superheroes in the in all of comic books

724
00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:56,760
they took the entire armies of all of

725
00:30:03,080 --> 00:29:59,370
these groups and they made a film that

726
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,090
felt small yeah should be impossible I

727
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:05,340
felt completely impossible I was talking

728
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:06,390
my brother and I felt like I was

729
00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:07,820
watching a

730
00:30:15,139 --> 00:30:11,670
CW a 300 million dollar CW film and

731
00:30:17,209 --> 00:30:15,149
listen I like the CW universes economy

732
00:30:19,339 --> 00:30:17,219
or that if I'm gonna go to the movie

733
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:19,349
theater I do not want to see the three

734
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,690
million dollar CW film with Ben Affleck

735
00:30:26,299 --> 00:30:23,700
in it like that's not what I'm what I'm

736
00:30:28,219 --> 00:30:26,309
looking for right it should be something

737
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:28,229
better than that

738
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:30,659
I guess well let me ask you guys this

739
00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:32,580
before we go any further you did bring

740
00:30:41,419 --> 00:30:38,070
up Ben Affleck oh my god oh my god it's

741
00:30:43,579 --> 00:30:41,429
if he wasn't in that cowl I could swear

742
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:43,589
someone had a gun to his head every line

743
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:46,919
the city was making do you do you think

744
00:30:51,379 --> 00:30:48,570
we're gonna see him in any more of these

745
00:30:54,339 --> 00:30:51,389
movies no he did not want to be there

746
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:54,349
they're already the next

747
00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:58,080
I okay so first off I'm a Ben Affleck

748
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:01,019
apologist I I'd like Ben Affleck as mist

749
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:03,899
this wasn't his best performance and

750
00:31:09,379 --> 00:31:05,609
you're right it looked like every every

751
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:09,389
line he said I saw him just thinking god

752
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:11,450
it's daredevil all over again yeah

753
00:31:15,349 --> 00:31:13,950
except except when he's talking to

754
00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:15,359
Wonder Woman where you see this

755
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,830
vulnerability come through and I don't

756
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:18,779
know if that's just Ben Affleck thinking

757
00:31:24,739 --> 00:31:21,389
gal gadot's hot or if he was literally

758
00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:24,749
directed to have this schoolboy sort of

759
00:31:29,209 --> 00:31:26,549
crushed on Wonder Woman that was the

760
00:31:31,639 --> 00:31:29,219
only moment where I felt he was any sort

761
00:31:33,109 --> 00:31:31,649
of a character do you wonder if maybe

762
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,119
that was supposed to be ultimately

763
00:31:39,379 --> 00:31:36,080
building towards the Batman Wonder Woman

764
00:31:43,239 --> 00:31:39,389
relationship that I think was almost

765
00:31:45,979 --> 00:31:43,249
immediately prior to the the new 52

766
00:31:47,539 --> 00:31:45,989
building towards everyone Lutzer

767
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,549
albergues alluding to it by the way

768
00:31:51,739 --> 00:31:49,919
Jeremy Irons give that dude a [\h__\h]

769
00:31:53,749 --> 00:31:51,749
Oscar for this movie because he is one

770
00:31:57,139 --> 00:31:53,759
of the best alfred's I've ever watched

771
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,149
he likes it and owns it I agree with you

772
00:32:01,989 --> 00:31:59,460
Nick Jeremy Irons is incredible but they

773
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:01,999
give him nothing to work with I know

774
00:32:06,379 --> 00:32:03,929
even though there's nothing I'm just

775
00:32:08,749 --> 00:32:06,389
like Alfred Johnson again he has no

776
00:32:10,339 --> 00:32:08,759
purpose why would you catch someone like

777
00:32:11,989 --> 00:32:10,349
Jeremy Irons if you're going to cut

778
00:32:13,489 --> 00:32:11,999
every one of his scenes and have him

779
00:32:16,339 --> 00:32:13,499
staying the [\h__\h] Batcave the whole

780
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:16,349
time Zack Snyder actually pretty well I

781
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,700
will give back her credit like when you

782
00:32:22,489 --> 00:32:20,279
watch Batman vs Superman he's a really

783
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:22,499
bright spot in that his outward he did

784
00:32:26,539 --> 00:32:24,329
was made you see in that one yeah yeah

785
00:32:28,339 --> 00:32:26,549
sure but I still like watching I'm just

786
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:28,349
like your COO offered I can get on board

787
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:31,049
with you mmm-hmm little glasses while

788
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:31,919
we're on that let's talk about

789
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:35,039
Commissioner Gordon well I was excited

790
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:45,129
that's my Batman right I've heard you

791
00:32:50,509 --> 00:32:48,169
know you can't see the incredible actor

792
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,519
and then you don't use him he was in

793
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:52,740
what two scenes and essentially his job

794
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:54,600
was to flash the the bat signal or

795
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,690
something he did nothing right and the

796
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,820
big thing was everyone was talking about

797
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:01,919
how much he was working out before this

798
00:33:05,419 --> 00:33:04,169
movie and like how jacked he got and

799
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,429
they're like is he doing that from this

800
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:07,679
movie oh my god is he gonna like kick

801
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,419
some ass and then they put him in a

802
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:11,460
baggy trench coat and then he just

803
00:33:21,259 --> 00:33:18,320
yeah if you want I followed that

804
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:21,269
storyline because I'm a geek you're a

805
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,360
health nut Nick we get I am it's true so

806
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,399
okay all right I guess we're kind of

807
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:28,380
going on a tangent which that's what

808
00:33:33,019 --> 00:33:30,990
this is all about guys so let's just

809
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,029
complain for an hour I like that idea

810
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:34,320
there are some good things about this

811
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:37,590
movie yeah get to those but let's talk

812
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:40,679
about okay the flash on CW is one of my

813
00:33:46,129 --> 00:33:43,769
favorite shows oh I love it I love great

814
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:46,139
guts I love everything they're doing

815
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,490
with that show I hate hate this version

816
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:53,100
of the flash really I [\h__\h] loved Ezra

817
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:55,130
Miller in this I was

818
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,679
Chris oh he was oh yeah I agree I

819
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:00,840
thought it was pretty laughs okay he did

820
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:02,789
exactly what they wanted him to do and I

821
00:34:07,059 --> 00:34:04,830
was like you know what doesn't you know

822
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:07,069
what they wanted him to do was good

823
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:10,440
I always found him funny okay entertain

824
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,750
when he did [\h__\h] here's my thing I think

825
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,940
he was good I shouldn't say hey Ezra

826
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:17,359
Miller I hated Joss Whedon's lines

827
00:34:22,309 --> 00:34:20,339
inserted for Ezra Miller I think that's

828
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:22,319
their I thought all of the performances

829
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:24,599
from everybody was good I mean as I said

830
00:34:30,859 --> 00:34:28,609
I'm even a bet Ben Affleck apologist

831
00:34:33,379 --> 00:34:30,869
was great I love Henry Cavill as

832
00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:33,389
Superman I mean I mean what's he even

833
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:39,470
what's his upper lip even there I'm not

834
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:43,110
sure it was with a little added fleshed

835
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,070
I so I saw this I think I think I saw it

836
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:49,679
differently than at least one of you I I

837
00:34:55,580 --> 00:34:51,570
saw this and say I don't like the whole

838
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,590
IMAX Super 3d mega Oh Plex whatever so I

839
00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:56,879
saw this in a good old-fashioned

840
00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:00,030
run-down movie theater and I didn't even

841
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:01,500
know like it with the exception of the

842
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,330
terrible opening of the film which was I

843
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:05,280
have a phone camera and I didn't even

844
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,490
realize it was Superman for a while I

845
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:09,480
didn't even notice that there was

846
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,160
anything wrong with his lip is this a

847
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:13,380
weird thing that happened in the 3d no I

848
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,510
had heard that if you saw her IMAX or in

849
00:35:20,090 --> 00:35:17,940
the ultra hate high-def the uncanny

850
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:20,100
valley with his lip was way more

851
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:22,290
noticeable that it was if you saw and

852
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,820
like you did Chris and like a stand like

853
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:25,980
a regular theater right most people from

854
00:35:28,580 --> 00:35:27,240
when I read this all in regular theater

855
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:28,590
were just like Henry Cavill looks

856
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:30,450
different like he just looks different

857
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,760
let's yeah let's know the audience what

858
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:34,560
what we're talking about here like what

859
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,980
happen is I got this

860
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:39,660
so Henry Cavill is currently shooting

861
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:42,900
mission impossible 3 and Josh we was

862
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:46,170
brother on miss Maxwell for like 72 yeah

863
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:48,120
the next Mission Impossible film yeah

864
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:50,190
and when when we was brought on to

865
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:51,990
reshoot he wanted to do massive reshoots

866
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:54,120
and that met everyone coming back so

867
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,890
calvo came back obviously for the

868
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:57,540
Superman reshoots but it was in his

869
00:36:01,160 --> 00:35:59,460
contract that he could not shave the

870
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:01,170
mustache that he had grown from Mission

871
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:03,240
Impossible so what they had to do then

872
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:07,070
was digitally remove his mustache which

873
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,170
costs something millions of dollars to

874
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:12,900
do number one and number two normally

875
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:15,270
takes six months of editing so they had

876
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,030
to like super rush this thing to still

877
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,280
get out on time and what this cause for

878
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,260
most viewers was an uncanny valley

879
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:24,780
effect we're like it just looks off and

880
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:27,900
actually can be kind of unnerving and it

881
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,490
just makes you like look at him and be

882
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:31,140
like you don't look like Henry Cavill

883
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:32,850
which upon the second viewing because

884
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:34,650
I've seen this movie twice now you

885
00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:36,270
realize it almost every single scene a

886
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:38,580
Superman that's present which meant Josh

887
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,090
Whedon reshot almost every single scene

888
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,940
with Superman which I'll get to and I

889
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,440
actually think might have been a good

890
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:49,140
thing because Zack Snyder's Superman and

891
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:52,310
I don't get along very well yes

892
00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:56,310
Superman I liked Man of Steel Blagh that

893
00:36:59,090 --> 00:36:57,870
we get the Superman in that whole

894
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,100
situation but anyway that really

895
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:00,960
happened he had to have his mustache or

896
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:03,510
his beard mustache digitally removed

897
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:06,810
prior to the release quickly okay so

898
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,180
we've got that will get to where

899
00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:11,280
Superman lays in this entire plot of

900
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,860
this movie on but let's talk a little

901
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:15,900
about our two underdogs here I want to

902
00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:18,330
start with Aquaman what did we think of

903
00:37:21,610 --> 00:37:20,580
mamonas performance go ahead guys tell

904
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:21,620
me what you think

905
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:26,760
yeah because I'm bored like you have to

906
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,590
like how do you make this kid I mean the

907
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,880
comics he's a super interesting

908
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:32,160
character but he's like he to me is a

909
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:34,530
very comic-book character like he's a

910
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:36,990
he's he's Hawkeye in the Avengers right

911
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:38,130
like he's a character I wouldn't

912
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:39,930
introduce in this movie even if he

913
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:41,370
didn't have a standalone movie like

914
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:43,260
bring him in because people are like

915
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:45,990
Aquaman but I thought the changes they

916
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,750
made making him a little bit darker

917
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:50,220
making him kind of the outsider I

918
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:52,770
thought MoMA did great I found him funny

919
00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:54,210
wearing the trailers I thought he was

920
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,580
gonna be awful I was like no he kneeled

921
00:37:59,720 --> 00:37:58,320
I want to see his movie I want to go

922
00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:59,730
through that movie when it comes out I

923
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,170
was totally like I'm ready for Aquaman

924
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:03,660
it's gonna be cool yeah I'm on a similar

925
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,540
page I I thought that I thought Jason

926
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:08,760
Momoa was amazing I thought he was I

927
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:10,620
think he did something that nobody else

928
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,290
in this film was able to do and and take

929
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,480
lions that were supposed to be funny and

930
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,300
make them work mm-hmm I thought as runes

931
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Ezra Miller just ruined a lot of those

932
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:23,370
jokes same with that and with all due

933
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:25,590
respect Rey Fisher I thought they just

934
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:27,750
didn't work but I thought like Jason

935
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,220
Momoa snide kind of stabbing humor with

936
00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:34,320
a lot of his jokes just actually worked

937
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,870
in a way that didn't work for anybody

938
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,880
else and I thought that was really

939
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:41,460
charming and well I don't necessarily

940
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:43,260
like what they did with the character of

941
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:46,650
Aquaman a lot of the time I thought his

942
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:50,280
performance and I thought some of his

943
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:52,530
scenes worked better than a lot of the

944
00:38:57,110 --> 00:38:54,330
other characters oh that's seeming he

945
00:39:09,290 --> 00:38:57,120
sits on the lasso truth oh my god oh my

946
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:10,760
like that's a comic book though that's a

947
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:12,150
comic book I'm like I ate that [\h__\h] up

948
00:39:17,540 --> 00:39:14,790
as comic book fan yeah you stopped after

949
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:17,550
the first time he said like a actually

950
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:20,370
revealing thing but then they kept going

951
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,650
on for five minutes I just sat there

952
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:24,800
going it was nothing

953
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:28,920
so like I said his performance is great

954
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,590
agree but I hate what they did there I

955
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:33,720
think Momoa more than anyone in this

956
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:36,360
movie understood what both the Zack

957
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:39,300
Snyder and just we didn't wanted and I

958
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:41,310
think he did that to the utmost

959
00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:43,110
profession allottee and I think you're

960
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:49,790
yeah exactly I think he has a bright

961
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,930
future with this character if if they

962
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:54,560
even make it to his standalone movie

963
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:57,960
okay okay that's good now one movie that

964
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:00,390
is not even in production yet and let's

965
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:02,250
let's let's get to it this is a very

966
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:04,740
controversial not performance but just

967
00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:06,390
way that they handle this character of

968
00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:11,100
cyborg right Fisher's in up in newcomer

969
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:13,080
in Hollywood this is his first major

970
00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:20,450
for anyone who doesn't know we are we

971
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,340
know ray Fisher he's done a bunch of

972
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:26,160
plays in New York we have a very close

973
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:28,110
friend who is practically best friends

974
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:29,970
with him he was this best man at his

975
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:33,360
wedding we were we we knew about this

976
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,370
long before they even announced that

977
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:37,680
he'd been cast and they could not have

978
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:39,870
picked a better dedicated actor to play

979
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:43,110
this role but in terms of that how do

980
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,450
you think he did guys how do you think

981
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:47,160
they portrayed the character of cyborg

982
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Nick maybe you say this well I need to

983
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:50,810
form my thoughts

984
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:53,970
my ass and Chris can yeah so here's the

985
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:57,390
thing I thought ray did a really good

986
00:41:01,460 --> 00:40:59,640
job with what he was given if that makes

987
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:01,470
sense and I think that they put that

988
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:03,420
character a really hard spot is like the

989
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:05,610
exposition character who had to tell us

990
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:07,950
everything that's going on and frankly I

991
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:09,600
think in films that that just doesn't

992
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:11,490
work all that well that's like the TV

993
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:12,660
thing right like when you sit down to

994
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:15,600
watch like a CSI New York I'm picking

995
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:17,310
some random procedural right there's

996
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:19,350
always that scene was like they come in

997
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,270
and the one person's time and everything

998
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:22,859
you need to know watching it so you're

999
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:24,690
like okay so the killer did this and

1000
00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:25,770
they found some fingerprints and they

1001
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:27,270
found some hair and that's all great and

1002
00:41:31,579 --> 00:41:29,430
it's a TV show so you're like okay

1003
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:31,589
that's kind of what I felt like cyborg

1004
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,690
was okay so there's a mother box and I

1005
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:35,160
have all this technology now I can do

1006
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:36,780
all this weird [\h__\h] and they need me and

1007
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:38,250
I okay then I'll go and here's what's

1008
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,720
happening here's what we have to do and

1009
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,820
because that was all of his scenes I'm

1010
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:43,680
like well that's you just wasted a

1011
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,260
really good actor he sadly like but I

1012
00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:49,020
will say I thought he did it well as

1013
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:51,030
well as you can do that [\h__\h] it's hard

1014
00:41:56,359 --> 00:41:53,089
to do and I think that's bad

1015
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:56,369
screenwriting - yes but I'm a writer so

1016
00:42:00,859 --> 00:41:58,890
what do I know no I I'd have to agree

1017
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:00,869
yeah it was in the writing here Chris go

1018
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:03,180
ahead yeah so I should point out I I

1019
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:05,970
don't actually know ray I've never met

1020
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:07,650
him I've heard a little bit of these

1021
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:09,450
stories before but the the way I know

1022
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:11,310
ray is that I know you guys and that's

1023
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:13,710
about it so I'm free to talk a little

1024
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:17,160
bit more openly here no yeah so with

1025
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:20,460
that being said I I think that I don't

1026
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:22,070
want to call them problems but I think

1027
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,050
cyborg is a very difficult character in

1028
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:27,720
a film because he is everything and

1029
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:30,060
nothing all at the same time yeah his

1030
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:32,460
entire purpose in this story is to

1031
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:35,580
essentially solve the the box that the

1032
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:38,339
writers write themselves into okay so we

1033
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:40,020
have a piece of technology that's

1034
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,810
completely unfathomable we have a giant

1035
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,060
robot that can do anything so he's just

1036
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,820
gonna touch a thing oh we have this

1037
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:50,160
earth-based robot you can make a

1038
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:52,320
Kryptonian key it'll work and because of

1039
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:54,750
that his primary role in these films is

1040
00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:57,780
just to solve the problem that nobody

1041
00:43:03,579 --> 00:43:00,450
else can solve just because of who the

1042
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:03,589
characters are and as far as that goes

1043
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:07,050
we all you're there for is to be a plot

1044
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:09,140
device you don't really have a lot of

1045
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:11,339
characterization put into you I mean

1046
00:43:14,839 --> 00:43:12,839
they did the best they could with those

1047
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:14,849
scenes between him and his father but

1048
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:18,510
they just kind of felt flat yeah and as

1049
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,950
far as Ray's performance to perform I I

1050
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:24,240
don't think it was his fault I think

1051
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,940
it's just these characters largely are

1052
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:28,800
suffering for the same problems that all

1053
00:43:34,099 --> 00:43:31,050
the characters are suffering from and

1054
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:34,109
that's the the deep depression that

1055
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:38,700
these the films exist with the idea that

1056
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:40,770
nobody is allowed to have any joy or

1057
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:44,130
happiness and subsequently when you

1058
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:45,870
think of cyborg you think of the old

1059
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:49,010
Teen Titan go films you think of the

1060
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:52,050
you think of this funs characters like

1061
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,050
boom and and then the only boom you get

1062
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:57,780
is a very subdued celebratory boom at

1063
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:01,760
the end of the film or just goes boom

1064
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:05,010
better served like to have that

1065
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:07,230
character be like Marshman this is

1066
00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:08,790
diving deep into comments like be a

1067
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,580
Martian Manhunter or be even Green

1068
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:13,920
Lantern like having it not be cyborg and

1069
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,000
saving cyborg for something yes I

1070
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:19,260
yes sorry Nick I didn't mean to drunk

1071
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:21,560
but I don't know the entire time I saw

1072
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:24,810
cyborg as he was becoming a member of

1073
00:44:29,090 --> 00:44:26,250
the team I'm like he would have made a

1074
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,100
good villain for a movie and then make

1075
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:32,040
him you know as he's as he's becoming

1076
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,870
more machine than man this is the whole

1077
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:36,300
thing with cyborg on this you know

1078
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:38,550
singularity aspect or Frankenstein's

1079
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:42,810
monster even like seeing someone who is

1080
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:45,320
no longer in control of their own

1081
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:47,670
everything their mind their hearts

1082
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,830
whatever's left of this man it would

1083
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,780
have been interesting to see him be

1084
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:54,240
almost an obstacle for the Justice

1085
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:56,190
League and then bring him in when things

1086
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:58,110
get even hairier and we got a

1087
00:45:02,110 --> 00:44:59,880
remembering what they do with Superman

1088
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:02,120
so what I

1089
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:06,210
what yes I think I do think that cyborgs

1090
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:07,980
character suffered greatly in his film

1091
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:10,290
and he was almost like a deus machina in

1092
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,630
a way yeah and a lot of those decisions

1093
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:14,460
just didn't make any sense like you're

1094
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:15,720
talking about it they treat him like a

1095
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:17,850
Frankenstein's monster and is he good is

1096
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:20,730
he bad is he in control and none of it

1097
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:23,310
really pays off in any substantial way

1098
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:24,680
yeah

1099
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:26,970
don't they even mention the Frankenstein

1100
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:28,290
monster like he's talking to his Danny's

1101
00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:29,160
like you're afraid they'd see the

1102
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,860
monster no no not years like you assume

1103
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:33,200
I'm talking about

1104
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:35,790
that the idea like no you're the monster

1105
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,280
for doing this to me yeah well let's

1106
00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:40,020
let's one more thing to which I thought

1107
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:42,080
was pretty interesting big actor blade

1108
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:45,720
cyborgs father he was also the dude from

1109
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:47,970
Terminator who made the [\h__\h]

1110
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:49,240
terminator

1111
00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:52,600
[\h__\h] yes really I'm almost positive if

1112
00:46:00,540 --> 00:45:57,160
are you the the Terminator 3 know the

1113
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:00,550
original - I think it was - where you

1114
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,500
know he goes back and gets the hand and

1115
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:05,520
everything okay I feel like

1116
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,350
yes if I'm wrong on this I will edit

1117
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:10,800
this out but I think

1118
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:13,330
that is all about that stuff as a

1119
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,700
director like

1120
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:17,760
coming here - you're right yeah

1121
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:19,740
amazing

1122
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:22,750
yeah it was a pretty interesting nod if

1123
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:25,080
it was even intentional I don't sign oh

1124
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:27,730
yeah this guy's like uh I'm the father

1125
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:30,310
of all singularities this is the role

1126
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:38,370
okay so we have the Justice League

1127
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:40,990
forming we have this villain who we

1128
00:46:45,540 --> 00:46:42,730
haven't even brought up yet so let's get

1129
00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:45,550
to him before we get to mr. Supes we've

1130
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:48,220
got we have a villain from am I correct

1131
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:49,870
in this I don't know the mythology of

1132
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:51,490
Wonder Woman well this is a is this a

1133
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:54,730
Wonder Woman no no it's a you can handle

1134
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:55,450
this

1135
00:47:00,840 --> 00:46:59,140
dumber than that okay give it to me so

1136
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:00,850
Andrew Sanford will kill me for this

1137
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:04,060
because I'm gonna be against the

1138
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:05,830
Steppenwolf is the general of dark side

1139
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,690
dark eyes plug the new gods and

1140
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:09,520
apocalypse and they go around you know

1141
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,280
[\h__\h] up planets um so essentially

1142
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:14,760
valence yeah but

1143
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:17,170
actually Thanos is based on Darkseid

1144
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:18,730
okay so if you want to like get some

1145
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,770
context though Marvel was like oh [\h__\h]

1146
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:22,510
that's a good villain we shouldn't make

1147
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:25,180
on our own bring you Santos way cooler

1148
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,430
but this is my problem so Steppenwolf is

1149
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:29,920
like trying to think like he's a legit

1150
00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:32,530
villain but he's like running up someone

1151
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:34,360
give me one of the the bat clan that's

1152
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:38,010
not Robin or Nightwing the Batwoman

1153
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:40,180
balance it's like riding a bat woman

1154
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:41,860
against who's still cool and could still

1155
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:44,230
kick some ass right up bat woman against

1156
00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:46,570
you know Superman I don't know oh yeah I

1157
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:48,460
point like it's a it's a villain it's a

1158
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:49,780
villain people know but it's not like

1159
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:51,730
the villain okay

1160
00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:53,980
and so it's like you're sent you you

1161
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:56,500
send the epic building epic movie and

1162
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:58,090
not even bringing down the big [\h__\h]

1163
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:00,940
bad you're bringing down like his crony

1164
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:03,880
for Justice League yeah to be fair it's

1165
00:48:07,110 --> 00:48:05,170
basically what they did in Avengers

1166
00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:07,120
right it's alright so we have to have a

1167
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:09,460
big bad here so let's just I don't [\h__\h]

1168
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:11,130
it let's just have a Lian's

1169
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:14,560
aliens Avengers Avengers still had Loki

1170
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,420
and you can make the argument that Loki

1171
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:18,160
is the villain who they set up and Loki

1172
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:20,170
is the late [\h__\h] Avengers villain that

1173
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:23,260
you have invested in and watched in and

1174
00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:25,270
you have feelings about and this was

1175
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:26,980
just like I guess that's right he's not

1176
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:28,390
the villain that the first Thor is he

1177
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:31,360
thinking he is like like the aliens and

1178
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:32,950
Avengers are the parademons in this

1179
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:34,660
right and they worked really well for me

1180
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:36,670
they were demons Ray's clueless right

1181
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:39,370
and but the problem is the actual

1182
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:41,890
villain I was like and then the CGI

1183
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:43,450
sucked so you're just like what I have

1184
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:46,840
oh yeah GI and the villain I don't care

1185
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:49,570
about I'm not invested in why do I

1186
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,790
[\h__\h] care but like I know who

1187
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:53,920
darkside is who has one mention in the

1188
00:48:58,530 --> 00:48:56,290
film just just make it just make it dark

1189
00:49:01,260 --> 00:48:58,540
side yeah and half Steppenwolf be a part

1190
00:49:03,330 --> 00:49:01,270
of that big epic battle I mean I get why

1191
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,340
you don't use our side right here is if

1192
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:05,200
you know I mean I think you know what

1193
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:06,460
you're doing here if you're making this

1194
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:08,230
film you realize you're rushing this you

1195
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:09,970
realize nobody has any investment in

1196
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:13,540
anybody so why waste the they don't

1197
00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:16,270
don't do doomsday again don't bring out

1198
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:19,780
a and a fan favorite villain and just

1199
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:21,490
waste them for 10 minutes at the end of

1200
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:23,500
the movie I mean in my opinion doomsday

1201
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:26,100
would have been the better villain

1202
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:28,570
because this is basically the story of

1203
00:49:33,830 --> 00:49:30,280
dude right this is basically Superman

1204
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:33,840
Returns but without doomsday

1205
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:40,620
alright well let's get to that guys

1206
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:43,270
alright so for those who did not see a

1207
00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:46,330
Batman V Superman we have an ending

1208
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,420
where the man of ohm and the legend

1209
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:51,420
Superman dies

1210
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:55,000
supposedly we get her small I think he's

1211
00:50:06,110 --> 00:49:56,490
dead

1212
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,120
of had an inkling that when this film

1213
00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:08,040
was coming around that this was not

1214
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:09,120
going to be the last time we saw a

1215
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:10,710
Superman whether or not it would be in

1216
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:12,050
the way that we got in this movie I

1217
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:15,450
can't say but Nick I want to hand this

1218
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:17,340
one over to you it's this Superman let

1219
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:19,940
me just let me just

1220
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:23,940
how did they bring this guy back oh okay

1221
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:26,370
so I have to know let me go back to

1222
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:27,660
Batman versus man so I can set this

1223
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:28,950
whole story up because I'm very

1224
00:50:33,110 --> 00:50:31,290
passionate about this so they kill

1225
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,120
Superman right kill him kill him getting

1226
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:35,040
good and dead they also killed Clark

1227
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:37,050
Kent and have an open casket funeral for

1228
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:39,060
Clark Kent which I'm gonna get to so

1229
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:41,010
they kill Clark Kent my problem number

1230
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:43,620
one Superman's dead so now we come to

1231
00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:45,390
Justice League and there's these things

1232
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:46,950
called the mother boxes the whole big

1233
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:48,750
thing the films around and they're like

1234
00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:50,670
oh well the mother box can create life

1235
00:50:55,310 --> 00:50:53,340
we can just bring Superman [\h__\h] back

1236
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,320
because there's an embryo tube in the

1237
00:50:59,860 --> 00:50:57,540
ship that was left over from the

1238
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:59,870
Kryptonians in Man of Steel right

1239
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:02,940
which is how this is essentially from

1240
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:05,460
the comic books though right kinda kinda

1241
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:08,310
yeah kinda like a bastardized version of

1242
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:10,110
what happens with comic books yeah so

1243
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:16,430
Batman's like like yo we gotta bring

1244
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:18,510
Superman that [\h__\h] it if he's bad or not

1245
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:20,130
cuz immediately all the Superman fans

1246
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:21,090
and room are like you're gonna make

1247
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:22,650
Superman bad aren't you Zack Snyder

1248
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:24,510
because you hate us and all of us that

1249
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:27,390
like Superman he might be bad okay go to

1250
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:29,190
the ship cyborg makes this little key

1251
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:32,130
they put mother box in the in the embryo

1252
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:33,930
thing flash has to like hit with some

1253
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:35,970
lightning and boom we got [\h__\h]

1254
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:40,020
Superman back but Superman is bad Zack

1255
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:41,400
Snyder's like it's all I haven't wanted

1256
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:42,990
in life guys I wanted to make the

1257
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,330
injustice video game movie do man comes

1258
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:47,760
out and like all by the way PS bosses

1259
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:49,080
have everyone's own Batman you're a

1260
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:50,460
[\h__\h] idiot don't bring him back

1261
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:53,160
because he's gonna be bad and he is and

1262
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:54,810
like all of a sudden he gets all scared

1263
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,450
because cyborg might shoot him and then

1264
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:59,880
there's a big fight right and which also

1265
00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:01,050
is one of my favorite scenes in the

1266
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:03,060
movie do you went off not like the part

1267
00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:04,920
where they're in a big fight and you

1268
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:06,060
know everyone realizes that he's

1269
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:08,280
Superman so we're [\h__\h] the flash is

1270
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:10,330
like I'll run really fast and sue season

1271
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,030
and you have that like realization that

1272
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:14,800
Superman is fast enough to see the flash

1273
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:19,270
yeah that's oh yeah the look that flash

1274
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:28,040
yeah that's great

1275
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:31,270
Nick tell us all right oh yeah keep

1276
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:33,370
going my man but I the biggest part is

1277
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:36,460
how Superman comes to be Superman again

1278
00:52:40,650 --> 00:52:38,890
but we'll get to oh yeah so so anyways

1279
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,660
so big fight right everyone's losing and

1280
00:52:44,130 --> 00:52:42,160
then eventually like which makes sense

1281
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:44,140
the end abandoned for Superman while

1282
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:45,640
there's a reconciliation between Batman

1283
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:47,770
and Superman clearly there wasn't like a

1284
00:52:51,330 --> 00:52:49,420
conversation about how like you tried to

1285
00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:51,340
[\h__\h] kill me you're a douchebag and

1286
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,430
bat so he sees Batman he's like oh I

1287
00:52:58,380 --> 00:52:56,770
remember who you are so I'm gonna [\h__\h]

1288
00:53:00,060 --> 00:52:58,390
your [\h__\h] up too then he goes after

1289
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:00,070
Batman and there's a quickie line that's

1290
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:02,680
clearly a Whedon line about him bleeding

1291
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:04,540
and [\h__\h] and Lois Lane comes out oh no

1292
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:06,910
that is a Snyder line all the way you

1293
00:53:13,050 --> 00:53:10,570
think oh yeah dude his mouth the CGI

1294
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,060
Donets yeah I've seen it twice it feels

1295
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:15,040
like a CG it feels it feels like a

1296
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:17,620
sterilizer it's so obvious that they're

1297
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:19,390
just like oh let's have a callback to

1298
00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:22,420
that amazing film that I made no 480

1299
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:24,460
amazing it wasn't a good line it was

1300
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:27,490
just maybe burn time it is it is CGI

1301
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:29,710
because everything is CGI in this movie

1302
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:32,530
TV shot all of his [\h__\h] scenes I do

1303
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:34,360
think Batman's follow up though like yep

1304
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:36,820
something's bleeding I'm gonna bore with

1305
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:39,940
that yeah so he's basically calls him

1306
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:42,010
Lois Lane that was his his plan Lois

1307
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:44,920
Lane wakes Clark up and is like hey

1308
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:47,560
let's fly away and go back to the barn

1309
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:48,670
and then you have this big fight scene

1310
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:51,970
over and Superman like awakens is all of

1311
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:54,370
a sudden thank [\h__\h] god the Superman

1312
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:56,500
that every Superman fan out there -

1313
00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:00,160
Andrew Sanford sorry dude um wants to

1314
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:03,640
see this hopeful like I'm [\h__\h] and

1315
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:05,950
I'm hopeful and I'm good and like I'm

1316
00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:08,680
gonna probably negates any tension this

1317
00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:12,040
film may have had going I say as a

1318
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:13,870
Superman fan I was like thank you

1319
00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:15,190
[\h__\h] Christ now maybe I'll get a

1320
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:16,870
Superman fan that Superman film that I

1321
00:54:21,060 --> 00:54:19,060
can fully enjoy and not have to like

1322
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:21,070
justify in my mind like I do Man of

1323
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:23,550
Steel yeah I got that I also got we'll

1324
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,690
talk about the Ambler I think Zack

1325
00:54:28,580 --> 00:54:27,000
Snyder gave a big middle finger or Josh

1326
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:28,590
Queen gave a big middle finger to Zack

1327
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:31,710
Snyder's Batman for Superman so this

1328
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:33,330
this film may as well have been called

1329
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:37,370
Superman 3 let's get some friends agreed

1330
00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:39,170
no

1331
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:46,350
have Superman anymore I guess we don't

1332
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:48,090
have Superman we should find friends

1333
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:49,530
because we don't have Superman wait

1334
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:51,270
you're coming down because there's no

1335
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:53,490
Kryptonian I can't come down now because

1336
00:54:57,980 --> 00:54:55,800
there's a Kanoa Kryptonian the entire

1337
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:57,990
film is about the complaints of not

1338
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,580
having a Superman and how worthless

1339
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:02,160
everybody is because there's no Superman

1340
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:04,110
and then they fight thing is that all

1341
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:05,550
they just get demolished because there's

1342
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:07,340
no Superman and so they're like okay

1343
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:10,500
let's team up let's team up and so we

1344
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:11,970
can take this thing and all their badly

1345
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:13,770
him no it feels like they just might

1346
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,810
make some headway and then Superman

1347
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:17,640
shows up sigh all right and so I'm just

1348
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:24,530
which is of course the argument against

1349
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:26,610
Superman in the comic books as well is

1350
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:29,220
that oh well the the act of having a

1351
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:32,250
Superman negates any tension in a story

1352
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:34,470
can have exactly which is why you have a

1353
00:55:41,810 --> 00:55:38,250
doomsday who can [\h__\h] up Superman he

1354
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:41,820
didn't he had to have a kryptonite

1355
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:44,850
weakened Superman to even stand a chance

1356
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,940
here's here's my thing with um you know

1357
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:55,500
Superman aside the the team building

1358
00:56:01,070 --> 00:55:57,450
that this movie did I thought was pretty

1359
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:01,080
pretty good actually it was the one arc

1360
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,330
of this story that I actually really

1361
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:05,640
enjoyed well I think that we didn't by

1362
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:09,180
the way I think and while I hated most

1363
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,930
of I'd say

1364
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:14,400
99.999999 percent of Whedon's dialogue

1365
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:16,980
in this I really enjoyed the way he

1366
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,260
brought the team together although I

1367
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:21,420
think we should have had six movies

1368
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,450
before this yeah I did like the small

1369
00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:26,880
tensions the little biting each person

1370
00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:28,950
did with one another the the little

1371
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:31,350
mistrusts here and there between one

1372
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:33,840
another but then in the end realizing we

1373
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:35,810
have to do this together

1374
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:37,430
and not knowing what's gonna happen in

1375
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:39,170
the foreseeable future none of these

1376
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:41,960
people are going into this team thinking

1377
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:43,310
we're gonna be doing this for the rest

1378
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:45,050
of our superhero careers it's like we're

1379
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:46,940
doing this once and we are you know

1380
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:49,970
except for Batman maybe who wants to

1381
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:52,280
bring the team together for good they're

1382
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,720
all like we're gonna do this and then

1383
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:55,760
I'm going on my way yeah I think that's

1384
00:57:01,390 --> 00:56:58,910
fair I think that was arguably the the

1385
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,400
thing that that was done well here it

1386
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:03,680
felt very much like when these people

1387
00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:05,600
finally did come together that the way

1388
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:08,420
they did it made it feel as though they

1389
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:11,090
actually were coming together starting

1390
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:12,560
with that Aquaman moment where he

1391
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:14,660
finally joins the team and the sewers of

1392
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:17,450
Gotham or whatever it was you could see

1393
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:19,220
them starting to have faith in each

1394
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,900
other you can see them starting to trust

1395
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:22,400
and I think that was developed and

1396
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:24,410
justified well I agree that with that

1397
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:26,090
well I also really loved the point with

1398
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,030
all that when when

1399
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:31,520
listened to the plane yeah go we'll

1400
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:32,750
cover for her it was a really nice

1401
00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:34,910
moment of being like yo Batman still an

1402
00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:36,590
[\h__\h] like he could play them more of

1403
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:38,360
an [\h__\h] but like Bruce Wayne's still

1404
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:41,570
kind of an [\h__\h] which I think Matlin

1405
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:43,430
didn't didn't really drive home enough

1406
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:46,010
for me as that flick though I do think

1407
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:47,060
he's a better Batman than I ever

1408
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:49,190
expected him to be agreed sure he

1409
00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:51,410
doesn't give a [\h__\h] but in it's sad

1410
00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:55,700
because he he does he he's a great Bruce

1411
00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:58,340
Wayne and Batman I think I think he out

1412
00:58:03,370 --> 00:58:00,620
of any of them that have played the this

1413
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:03,380
role throughout their film careers uh he

1414
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:05,450
is the first to really be able to tackle

1415
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:08,270
both ends of it very well nuanced it

1416
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:10,580
sucks that he's in these movies because

1417
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:12,260
it's clear he doesn't want to be there

1418
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:14,180
he was given a second shot to be a

1419
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:16,190
superhero and this is what he has to

1420
00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:18,800
deal with but I think he's good man I

1421
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:20,750
think he you know he was great I think

1422
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:22,910
he clicks with what Snyder wants but

1423
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:24,200
next time I want to make a [\h__\h] Batman

1424
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:27,350
movie so see I disagree I don't think he

1425
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:29,960
close with what Snyder once I think he

1426
00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:32,660
clicks with what Ben Affleck once and I

1427
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:34,340
think the only reason he's in these

1428
00:58:38,290 --> 00:58:36,260
films is cuz Ben Affleck thought he was

1429
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:38,300
eventually going to direct a Batman film

1430
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:40,730
and once he saw what being Batman meant

1431
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,440
he didn't want to direct a Batman film

1432
00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:44,960
yeah he saw what DC and Warner Bros

1433
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:46,340
wanted to do with these films he was

1434
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:49,310
like nah that's always he how I I don't

1435
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:51,530
know this no he is not out he's sending

1436
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:53,420
conflicting messages of like yeah of

1437
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,710
course I want to do the baton the film

1438
00:58:58,569 --> 00:58:56,300
of course I want to be bad and then

1439
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:58,579
another breath he's like well you know I

1440
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:00,170
think that I should exit Batman in like

1441
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:02,210
a cool way so he might still do the

1442
00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:04,510
standalone movie and like call it a day

1443
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:07,900
it'd be cool if he did a one-off yeah

1444
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:10,640
movie right like a Logan type thing

1445
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:11,990
where it's like it's technically

1446
00:59:15,849 --> 00:59:13,880
continuty but it's not it's not at all

1447
00:59:16,930 --> 00:59:15,859
hmm I think that's what they're doing

1448
00:59:18,970 --> 00:59:16,940
though isn't it isn't that kind of

1449
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:18,980
what's in the realm and I have no clue I

1450
00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:20,300
think that'd be great though they did I

1451
00:59:23,170 --> 00:59:21,829
think that's what the guy wants to do

1452
00:59:25,569 --> 00:59:23,180
who's directing there's Batman felt like

1453
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:25,579
it's in the key to continuity but you

1454
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:27,050
won't see any other characters in it's

1455
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:29,150
just that man mm-hmm where's like

1456
00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:31,849
Aquaman and flash I know in the flash

1457
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:33,800
memory Wonder Woman is because now she's

1458
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:35,690
the threat right they were like yo she's

1459
00:59:39,339 --> 00:59:37,220
really good at this role and people are

1460
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:39,349
like her so we had to like yeah build

1461
00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:42,230
with her smart smart move but she's the

1462
00:59:45,490 --> 00:59:43,430
gonna be in the flash movie which is

1463
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:45,500
having a ton of issues too and I'm gonna

1464
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:48,170
assume she I bet she's in Shazam I would

1465
00:59:54,849 --> 00:59:50,630
but put money she's in the Shazam movie

1466
00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:54,859
okay okay stop right there we just saw a

1467
00:59:59,460 --> 00:59:57,260
Justice League movie you have every

1468
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,470
opportunity to make incredible

1469
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:01,760
incredible solo movies with each of

1470
01:00:05,770 --> 01:00:03,980
these characters if you wanted to so

1471
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:05,780
what are we gonna do we're going to

1472
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,650
bring you a Shazam movie next

1473
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:11,440
guys

1474
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:14,210
tell me what is good about this Zachary

1475
01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:16,280
Levi I don't see the appeal he's such a

1476
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:17,780
big geek it's like me getting to play

1477
01:00:22,059 --> 01:00:20,390
Superman guys I think having a Shazam is

1478
01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:22,069
basically like saying you know what we

1479
01:00:29,970 --> 01:00:25,030
really need more Superman

1480
01:00:35,319 --> 01:00:32,290
what I want to know is where's Martian

1481
01:00:37,329 --> 01:00:35,329
Manhunter and all this me to me he's in

1482
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,339
Supergirl that's where he's at yes yeah

1483
01:00:41,530 --> 01:00:40,160
I I agree that is a character that I

1484
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:41,540
would have loved to have seen in this

1485
01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:44,650
are you are you equate

1486
01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:46,819
I've been great would have been great

1487
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:48,920
are you guys familiar with the animated

1488
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:52,310
Justice League new frontier yes not

1489
01:00:57,150 --> 01:00:55,300
really I haven't seen it

1490
01:01:00,760 --> 01:00:57,160
it's fine

1491
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:00,770
it's yeah but it it has Martian

1492
01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:02,210
Manhunter as one of the main characters

1493
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:05,300
and like her yes yeah so why couldn't we

1494
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:06,920
have done that why did we have to get a

1495
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:09,170
small glimpse of Green Lantern and then

1496
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:11,390
such a weak cyborg give us a Martian

1497
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:13,540
Manhunter who can bring that

1498
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:15,770
extraterrestrial feel to this movie I

1499
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:17,510
feel like that's kind of what they were

1500
01:01:21,550 --> 01:01:19,670
doing with the parademons and I bring in

1501
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:21,560
like the controversial take on this and

1502
01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:23,150
sure you can either be out if it's too

1503
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:24,950
bad because I think they want they were

1504
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:27,260
like well he's black and then we have

1505
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:28,730
black person who's young in the film

1506
01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:31,850
okay that's that's you can't do that

1507
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:33,800
with Martian Manhunter well no I agree

1508
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:35,270
with you they can't I just think they

1509
01:01:38,350 --> 01:01:36,650
were like well no cuz then he's green

1510
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:38,360
maybe we wouldn't see him yeah or even

1511
01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:40,370
the Jon Stewart Green Lantern like I

1512
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:41,960
think they're just afraid of me I think

1513
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:43,820
they're like that [\h__\h] was a mess so we

1514
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:46,430
all like stay away from that but I think

1515
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:47,690
that might be a big part of it they're

1516
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:49,370
like we need to have some more diversity

1517
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:51,290
inside of this cast it's a bunch of like

1518
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:54,410
white dudes essentially and one one lady

1519
01:01:59,350 --> 01:01:57,650
yeah so sidewalk sidewalk he's in Teen

1520
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:59,360
Titans right yeah he's in Teen Titans

1521
01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:00,980
great well then people already know who

1522
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:03,950
he is they've officially promoted him up

1523
01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:05,570
to the Justice League in the comic books

1524
01:02:11,710 --> 01:02:09,740
- yeah so yeah so it's a good because of

1525
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:11,720
the movie who knows right yeah great but

1526
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:15,260
I think Martian Manhunter is as dynamic

1527
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:17,570
and as interesting and power sets are

1528
01:02:20,860 --> 01:02:18,950
really cool and would have would have

1529
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:20,870
worked in this film really well and

1530
01:02:25,090 --> 01:02:22,520
probably could have done a similar

1531
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,100
served a similar plot device in a lot of

1532
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:27,200
ways because he could shape-shift like I

1533
01:02:32,050 --> 01:02:28,550
don't know I think you'd be a better

1534
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:32,060
character for this particularly and I

1535
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:33,260
would have loved it as comic fan like

1536
01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:34,970
that's to me that's Justice League just

1537
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:36,680
like is Superman Batman Wonder Woman

1538
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,810
Aquaman Green Lantern and Marshall Manor

1539
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:40,400
like those are my Justice League that's

1540
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:44,410
what I remember yeah yeah well I mean

1541
01:02:49,540 --> 01:02:47,330
who knows who knows Nick they might be

1542
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:49,550
listening to this no they don't it's

1543
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:52,910
time the last character guys I want to

1544
01:02:59,070 --> 01:02:55,040
sort of talk about before we sort of

1545
01:03:01,330 --> 01:02:59,080
wrap this up is Lois Lane

1546
01:03:03,340 --> 01:03:01,340
yeah what are you what do you guys got

1547
01:03:06,070 --> 01:03:03,350
for me there's honestly there's really

1548
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:06,080
nothing to say again problem so

1549
01:03:11,650 --> 01:03:08,900
underused from from the strong character

1550
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:11,660
that we saw in Batman V Superman where I

1551
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:14,150
was just blown away by like the agency

1552
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,510
they finally gave this character they

1553
01:03:21,460 --> 01:03:19,280
did in the Christopher Reeves movies as

1554
01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:21,470
well but the same low as the one they

1555
01:03:25,150 --> 01:03:23,180
gave her in these was much better it was

1556
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:25,160
much better I agree Nick but then we get

1557
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:28,040
to this movie and what the hell why did

1558
01:03:32,890 --> 01:03:30,500
she even sign on to do this because it's

1559
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:32,900
buying a contract yeah you're right yep

1560
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:34,550
she's signed your soul away but yes

1561
01:03:40,780 --> 01:03:37,760
she's basically the only reason we had

1562
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:40,790
her here was to make little bad Superman

1563
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:43,550
good Superman again yes pot device like

1564
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:45,530
Chris says it's well Chris can you I

1565
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:47,480
know I'm boga I'm something we've talked

1566
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,130
about before this can you talk about

1567
01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:51,200
your major problem with most of these

1568
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:53,380
movies I think that sums it up like oh

1569
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:56,630
sure yeah so my problem with most of

1570
01:04:01,540 --> 01:03:58,250
these films in general is that there's

1571
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:01,550
no Humanity in them none of the DC comic

1572
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:04,240
books have any humanity they're all

1573
01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:07,630
focused around the supernatural

1574
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:12,320
Batman or Man of Steel is purely an

1575
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:16,670
alien film it's largely about aliens who

1576
01:04:20,829 --> 01:04:18,770
come down to earth for example Superman

1577
01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:20,839
what makes Superman charming is that

1578
01:04:25,390 --> 01:04:23,240
he's a human who finds out that he has

1579
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:25,400
superpowers because he's actually alien

1580
01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:27,290
but the way they present him in these

1581
01:04:35,710 --> 01:04:32,660
films is as a an alien who is battling

1582
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:35,720
largely against being human you look at

1583
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:37,910
Wonder Woman and she's a fish out of

1584
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:40,310
water she's us it's largely about this

1585
01:04:45,790 --> 01:04:43,790
Amazonian who's not actually Amazonian

1586
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:45,800
but it's a god and let's really focus on

1587
01:04:50,109 --> 01:04:47,990
that about the Battle of the gods and

1588
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:50,119
it's not about the humans who were there

1589
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:51,290
I think they make you think it's gonna

1590
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:52,970
be about that but then they come

1591
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:54,890
completely pervert that in the last

1592
01:05:00,010 --> 01:04:57,290
moments of that of that film and the

1593
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,020
same can be said with uh with Batman vs

1594
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:01,760
Superman and especially in Justice

1595
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:04,430
League Justice League's I think the

1596
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,410
biggest problem with Justice League is I

1597
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:07,520
never felt like there was really

1598
01:05:12,250 --> 01:05:09,890
anything at stake it felt like the only

1599
01:05:14,650 --> 01:05:12,260
people were who were in any danger was

1600
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:14,660
that one small I'm gonna say Russian

1601
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:17,089
family which look I loved those woman

1602
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:19,609
Western European family Western European

1603
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:22,180
whatever it is I

1604
01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:29,200
either way my point is just like there's

1605
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:31,340
three human beings in that film who

1606
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:34,670
might have some sort of a problem if

1607
01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:37,040
this happens you never see you like

1608
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:39,020
running in the street you never see pee

1609
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:41,600
and I look I realize this because 90% of

1610
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:43,370
this film if not more than that is shot

1611
01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:45,110
on a green screen and it turns out you

1612
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:47,000
can't have a hundred a hundred extras

1613
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:48,950
running around on a green screen but it

1614
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:50,510
makes it feel like there's never

1615
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:52,910
anything at stake that the only people

1616
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,520
that are ever gonna be heard or is that

1617
01:06:01,390 --> 01:05:58,400
one small family and at that point I say

1618
01:06:03,340 --> 01:06:01,400
okay I'll sacrifice you yeah sorry

1619
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:03,350
that's a really good point though Chris

1620
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:06,530
that this movie again Justice League the

1621
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:09,110
big one with an alien enemy we are

1622
01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:12,710
seeing the the only threat to earth with

1623
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:16,340
this right now is like three people yeah

1624
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:18,380
you know what I mean like we are not

1625
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:20,900
seeing the gravitas of what this enemy

1626
01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:23,210
could potentially do we're seeing a huge

1627
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:25,700
team of superheroes battling him for

1628
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:28,550
what purpose I know we hear about what

1629
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:31,070
he could potentially do but we're not

1630
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:36,700
world into his world like in that

1631
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:40,430
montage film you don't see that we don't

1632
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:42,410
see any threat except for these parody

1633
01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:44,690
means scaring some children like you

1634
01:06:49,570 --> 01:06:46,580
know what I mean the game the movie

1635
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:49,580
you're like really yeah even understand

1636
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:57,190
but it's funny cuz the exact opposite of

1637
01:06:59,860 --> 01:06:58,490
Avengers but I know we're comparing

1638
01:07:01,480 --> 01:06:59,870
these but you know what god damn it

1639
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:01,490
compare them that's what comic books are

1640
01:07:04,810 --> 01:07:03,230
like you're comparing like one like

1641
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:04,820
who's doing a better DC are Marvel

1642
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:06,770
Disney or fox or Disney or Warner

1643
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:08,570
Brothers and like when you watch the

1644
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:10,550
first Avengers movie and even the second

1645
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:12,530
one even though I know I probably have

1646
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:13,760
less problems with the second than

1647
01:07:17,350 --> 01:07:15,950
there's a movie than you do Ryan cuz I

1648
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:17,360
think you know probably close the same

1649
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:19,400
page with it like there there are people

1650
01:07:23,590 --> 01:07:21,050
at risk like Derek when you watch that

1651
01:07:26,410 --> 01:07:23,600
first Avengers like New York gets [\h__\h]

1652
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:26,420
up and it sets a precedent then for all

1653
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:28,010
the other movies and I think that like

1654
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:30,650
after Man of Steel because everyone was

1655
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:33,770
like yo Superman killed a lot of people

1656
01:07:39,630 --> 01:07:36,170
in that movie yeah where Bo's was like

1657
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,640
oh I guess we can't like need to avoid

1658
01:07:43,420 --> 01:07:41,839
yeah and then they were like so just

1659
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,430
like like your your fight in this big

1660
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:45,680
place where there's no like you have to

1661
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,240
save three people and Superman saves

1662
01:07:52,690 --> 01:07:49,520
like a apartment complex really quickly

1663
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:52,700
which I like commit so I like Caesar man

1664
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:55,280
save some [\h__\h] cuz he's Superman and in

1665
01:07:58,750 --> 01:07:56,569
first second believe there are people in

1666
01:08:00,160 --> 01:07:58,760
that building now I believe there might

1667
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:00,170
be some people that Lane Superman save

1668
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:09,040
there's nothing that like those Avengers

1669
01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:10,310
films at least there's things that risk

1670
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,750
right at least like when this ultimate

1671
01:08:16,539 --> 01:08:13,760
team-up happens like I thought they were

1672
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:16,549
fighting to [\h__\h] save something even

1673
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:18,290
if it is just a lot of Hulk smashing

1674
01:08:21,939 --> 01:08:19,670
yeah they were trying to save something

1675
01:08:23,470 --> 01:08:21,949
right and like Justice League was like

1676
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:23,480
well we're just gonna fight him we were

1677
01:08:27,729 --> 01:08:25,190
saving something well in the difference

1678
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:27,739
between those films I think aside from

1679
01:08:31,329 --> 01:08:29,330
the fact that they were significant

1680
01:08:33,519 --> 01:08:31,339
built like look the Avengers films have

1681
01:08:35,860 --> 01:08:33,529
no real story either but it's because

1682
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:35,870
they are the third act like you you

1683
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,640
build up the first and second when the

1684
01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:39,440
first with a film's cleaning up to

1685
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:41,900
Avengers and then the Avengers is the

1686
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:44,449
big battle of the the third act and I'm

1687
01:08:48,189 --> 01:08:46,489
fine with that but the reason why you

1688
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,199
actually feel like there's stakes like

1689
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:50,719
bran it's only New York that's at any

1690
01:08:57,970 --> 01:08:53,750
risk and Avengers one but like you see

1691
01:09:00,670 --> 01:08:57,980
the Thor like catching giant like bricks

1692
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:00,680
about to fall on people you see Captain

1693
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:03,980
America diving to save a human being and

1694
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:07,850
all of these people in that in the

1695
01:09:12,939 --> 01:09:09,949
surrounding chaos leaves you to feel

1696
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:12,949
like oh my god people might die here

1697
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:15,080
whereas in Justice League it's like

1698
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:17,930
there's a purple worm that's chasing one

1699
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:20,420
family and there's no other cars on the

1700
01:09:24,670 --> 01:09:22,850
road it's not there's a person getting

1701
01:09:26,559 --> 01:09:24,680
out and like you never see like one of

1702
01:09:28,269 --> 01:09:26,569
the pair of demons like pick up a person

1703
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:28,279
in the background how hard would it have

1704
01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:30,739
been a CG a random human being and a

1705
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,569
parody man that's picking up just like

1706
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,120
no yeah even if they like just I like

1707
01:09:40,539 --> 01:09:37,759
sprained an ankle they give me something

1708
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:40,549
give me something Chris you bring up a

1709
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:42,890
good point that you know we have

1710
01:09:47,499 --> 01:09:45,049
superheroes we have this mythology of

1711
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:47,509
the superhero for a reason and that is

1712
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,310
when there is no hope left within

1713
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:51,920
humanity something can rise above and

1714
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,800
help us and guide us and I think that's

1715
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,719
what's most important about any comic

1716
01:10:01,150 --> 01:09:59,600
book any superhero franchise and I think

1717
01:10:03,580 --> 01:10:01,160
that's where we're kind of losing our

1718
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:03,590
way it's no longer about that it's about

1719
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:06,110
yes it's about these characters these

1720
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:07,880
superhero characters and what they go

1721
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:09,620
through that's very interesting but I

1722
01:10:16,030 --> 01:10:12,410
think we're losing what the human

1723
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:16,040
condition means within all of this well

1724
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:17,270
it's like Superman so the whole one of

1725
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:18,380
the whole points to me the reason why I

1726
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:21,290
love him is here's an alien that crashes

1727
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:23,330
on Kansas and is red raised by these

1728
01:10:28,959 --> 01:10:25,370
older first of all I'm raised by older

1729
01:10:30,220 --> 01:10:28,969
parents - by the older parents and he's

1730
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,230
and they do kind of touch on this in

1731
01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:31,760
Justice League but not in the way that I

1732
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,070
think it's too late like he's more human

1733
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,040
or he I he represents the idealized

1734
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:38,960
thing that we want to be as humans

1735
01:10:44,050 --> 01:10:41,060
better than any of the [\h__\h] humans

1736
01:10:45,729 --> 01:10:44,060
and you lost that like yeah he would

1737
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,739
save those people he would fly in and

1738
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,080
like there's no heroics right like

1739
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:50,000
where's the heroics in Justice League

1740
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:52,760
yeah yep I bet that Nick that is a

1741
01:10:57,970 --> 01:10:54,410
perfect way to sum it up there there was

1742
01:10:58,770 --> 01:10:57,980
very little heroics being done it was it

1743
01:11:00,880 --> 01:10:58,780
is

1744
01:11:02,770 --> 01:11:00,890
I will say though cuz I'm the one I

1745
01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:02,780
think I like this the most of the three

1746
01:11:07,209 --> 01:11:05,150
of us because I actually chose to see it

1747
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:07,219
again I still had fun at times like I

1748
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:09,290
still enjoyed yeah like I still like the

1749
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:11,150
big booms and I liked it like Superman

1750
01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:12,860
flew in and punched Steppenwolf in the

1751
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:13,940
face

1752
01:11:20,140 --> 01:11:17,000
I like the Batman fight like there were

1753
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:20,150
moments where I was like man I really

1754
01:11:24,340 --> 01:11:22,280
really really want to watch this movie

1755
01:11:27,250 --> 01:11:24,350
and maybe like if it's on TV I'll watch

1756
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:27,260
it just to have some fun because there

1757
01:11:31,450 --> 01:11:29,870
are some fun things that happen but

1758
01:11:33,250 --> 01:11:31,460
there's nothing that makes me care that

1759
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:33,260
I'm invested or that I would be like man

1760
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:34,730
I can't wait for Justice League to guys

1761
01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:36,850
yeah all right here's the thing I

1762
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:40,100
wouldn't you can pay me maybe a baby but

1763
01:11:47,919 --> 01:11:43,090
you could not beg me

1764
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:47,929
no no oh my god no I almost walked if I

1765
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:49,910
didn't have this podcast to record I was

1766
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:52,310
about to walk out in the first place no

1767
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:53,570
can I can I just say I thought my

1768
01:11:59,530 --> 01:11:56,210
favorite part of this film was the

1769
01:12:02,050 --> 01:11:59,540
preview for a quiet place did you guys

1770
01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:02,060
see that yes oh my god I look so good

1771
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:04,790
you look so good what are thinking with

1772
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:06,590
the free ticket to see managers infinite

1773
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:09,160
water okay okay

1774
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:11,450
mmm I'll take him out it sounds like a

1775
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:13,970
great time to take a nap Nick Nick

1776
01:12:18,220 --> 01:12:16,550
oh sorry Chris go ahead but I I want to

1777
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:18,230
jump off of the infinity war thing for

1778
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:20,360
one more moment when you're done Chris

1779
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:23,570
please okay so I do look as I said I

1780
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:26,150
feel I don't like this film but I do

1781
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:29,690
want to say a couple things about it and

1782
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:31,430
I want to say that first of all I

1783
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,490
thought for all of the the controversy

1784
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:37,280
there was about the the Amazonian

1785
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,370
costume design changes and it's

1786
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:42,560
justified I will say I thought those

1787
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,430
battle scenes were true

1788
01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:48,080
right yeah it was the best scene in the

1789
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:51,980
film and I will say and I will say that

1790
01:12:58,420 --> 01:12:55,520
I I did think that in spite of all of my

1791
01:13:00,760 --> 01:12:58,430
problems with Superman the fact that he

1792
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:00,770
finally punches something that is

1793
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:03,290
theoretically as strong as him I mean

1794
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:05,960
clearly not but theoretically as strong

1795
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:08,840
as him was kind of nice can I talk about

1796
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:10,450
so this isn't there's one thing that

1797
01:13:14,020 --> 01:13:12,890
Whedon did I think we did I haven't

1798
01:13:15,730 --> 01:13:14,030
gotten this question answered by my

1799
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:15,740
inside source as much as it is a

1800
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:17,810
[\h__\h] for a sequel he brought

1801
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:19,610
Clark Kent back because Clark Kent is

1802
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:21,560
Superman I hate like those are big

1803
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:23,660
things like the end that filmin like you

1804
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:26,030
get Clark Kent I was like love it love I

1805
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:27,080
don't know how you I don't know how

1806
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:28,850
you're gonna [\h__\h] justify this but

1807
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:30,890
like [\h__\h] you Snyder for killing him I

1808
01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:32,270
don't care that you don't like Clark

1809
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:33,950
Kent I do and that's what makes him

1810
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:36,350
awesome so big middle finger Zack Snyder

1811
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:38,030
Clark Kent's bad and you can't do a good

1812
01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:39,860
goddamn thing about it thanks dude he's

1813
01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:42,350
forced into the corner now if there's

1814
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:43,820
anything I you appreciate about Whedon

1815
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:46,100
it's that he he's trying to raise the

1816
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:48,170
bar I think for Snyder to try to fix

1817
01:13:53,050 --> 01:13:50,450
this I think the better Thawne now guys

1818
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:53,060
I think that's this mic oh my god waits

1819
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,860
for love of God please get rid of him

1820
01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:57,520
that might be it one more thing about

1821
01:14:02,740 --> 01:13:59,630
Justice League before we get to our

1822
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:02,750
final wrap up here guys was the after

1823
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:05,930
credits scenes know I have to admit I I

1824
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:08,900
I had an emergency when I had to go see

1825
01:14:14,650 --> 01:14:11,450
the theatrical release of this film so I

1826
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:14,660
did have to do a little um well we won't

1827
01:14:18,930 --> 01:14:16,790
we won't go there I watched this movie

1828
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:18,940
from my home

1829
01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:20,650
put it that way you have a price

1830
01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:24,270
screener at a private screening yes

1831
01:14:29,670 --> 01:14:27,100
so what what I did was guys I watched a

1832
01:14:31,500 --> 01:14:29,680
private screening and I I recently got a

1833
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:31,510
Curley Christmas gift from my girlfriend

1834
01:14:38,459 --> 01:14:34,480
from drinks by the DRAM this is a

1835
01:14:40,979 --> 01:14:38,469
shameless plug this is a what is it 25

1836
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,989
days of Christmas Advent whiskey I saw

1837
01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:43,840
that so if you want to sponsored you

1838
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:45,400
time dad's I'm just saying we're looking

1839
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:48,449
for sponsors I was

1840
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,610
specifically I was drinking Buffalo

1841
01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:54,360
Trace bourbon so oh

1842
01:15:00,120 --> 01:14:57,820
good right now I am drinking it is

1843
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:00,130
called that boutique II whiskey company

1844
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:02,410
I defy your though it's pretty good it's

1845
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:04,290
an Irish thing good

1846
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:06,910
let's see two to three year two to

1847
01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:14,370
about $50 that's the difference yeah

1848
01:15:18,330 --> 01:15:16,989
exactly exactly I'm going off on a

1849
01:15:20,970 --> 01:15:18,340
tangent here well we'll have to do a

1850
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:20,980
whiskey episode okay let's talk about

1851
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:22,570
these let's talk about these after

1852
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:25,090
credit scenes now I miss these I I know

1853
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:27,640
what they are but explain to me what

1854
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,710
what happened and where it's leading us

1855
01:15:33,450 --> 01:15:31,600
Chris take the first one because you

1856
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:33,460
loved it okay so I'll take the first one

1857
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:35,710
because I enjoyed it and I'm gonna be

1858
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:37,330
honest I'm a sucker for this because

1859
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:39,070
they do it every time the flash and

1860
01:15:45,209 --> 01:15:41,890
Superman get together so the first the

1861
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:45,219
mid-credits scene is the the the usual

1862
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:47,410
scene where Superman in the flash race

1863
01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:49,900
and it's really charming and it's really

1864
01:15:53,939 --> 01:15:52,360
happy it's got them it's the only happy

1865
01:15:59,370 --> 01:15:53,949
thing that has happened and what are we

1866
01:16:02,010 --> 01:15:59,380
at for DC films now yeah yep yeah so

1867
01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:02,020
it's at the very end they get together

1868
01:16:05,820 --> 01:16:03,580
they're sitting out in the middle of I

1869
01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:05,830
assume Kansas and they're looking both

1870
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:08,980
ways both of them in costume and they're

1871
01:16:12,420 --> 01:16:10,570
stretching they're getting ready to go

1872
01:16:14,910 --> 01:16:12,430
and they go okay so we're we raising

1873
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:14,920
which coast there you go I've never been

1874
01:16:19,020 --> 01:16:16,449
to the west coast all right and then

1875
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:19,030
they race and it's beautiful it's

1876
01:16:26,220 --> 01:16:22,630
charming the banter is good it feels

1877
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:26,230
like your each other oh whatever but

1878
01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:29,590
it's the only moment of joy and

1879
01:16:36,629 --> 01:16:32,860
unadulterated happiness that has existed

1880
01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:36,639
in any of the DC films and I loved it do

1881
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:39,820
we know who wrote that scene I don't but

1882
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:42,850
I can only assume it's by the [\h__\h] up

1883
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:47,010
Superman face Whedon okay okay

1884
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:49,800
somebody smiles

1885
01:16:54,030 --> 01:16:52,690
that's awesome I want to I hopefully

1886
01:16:56,430 --> 01:16:54,040
I'll be able to see that once the

1887
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:56,440
blu-ray comes out but um yeah it's a

1888
01:17:02,490 --> 01:16:59,920
true comment this game is very lucky cuz

1889
01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:02,500
that's like straight Christmas [\h__\h]

1890
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,230
books so okay so our second our end

1891
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:08,560
credits scene who came back guys give it

1892
01:17:12,419 --> 01:17:10,690
to no I have to say that when I saw the

1893
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:12,429
movie because I went opening night well

1894
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,139
we were all waiting for the same someone

1895
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:16,000
did cry out that was the best moment of

1896
01:17:24,930 --> 01:17:23,040
right I should note that one of the big

1897
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,940
things this movie was the fact that we

1898
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:26,560
didn't basically cut all of Jesse

1899
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:29,050
Eisenberg's stuff and so people thought

1900
01:17:32,669 --> 01:17:30,610
that Jesse Eisenberg wasn't going to be

1901
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:32,679
in the film so the end team opens up

1902
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:34,690
with this like they go to Luther cell

1903
01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:36,730
and you see a ball dude who's clearly

1904
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:38,980
older than you know our current Lex

1905
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:41,170
Luthor and I was like oh do they make

1906
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:43,480
Lex Luthor older is it gonna be please

1907
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:45,010
please please please please please

1908
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:47,500
please be a different actor maybe

1909
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,479
just a crazy guy clearly Lex Luthor has

1910
01:17:59,550 --> 01:17:56,800
[\h__\h] escaped his prison cell and now

1911
01:18:01,709 --> 01:17:59,560
there's a boat and you see dead dead

1912
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:01,719
shot no wait now if there's a that's

1913
01:18:06,510 --> 01:18:04,150
true yes sir that's true dead dead shot

1914
01:18:08,610 --> 01:18:06,520
what looking just desperate looking just

1915
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:08,620
[\h__\h] bad-ass walking up to this boat

1916
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,110
and there's Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor

1917
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:13,840
who finally looks like a comic book Lex

1918
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:16,150
Luthor he's in a white suit and a tie on

1919
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:17,409
this really expensive boat and I was

1920
01:18:22,649 --> 01:18:20,170
like okay once again I think maybe we'd

1921
01:18:24,180 --> 01:18:22,659
and was like guess what guys we're going

1922
01:18:25,919 --> 01:18:24,190
I'm gonna force you into a different

1923
01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:25,929
direction with all of this and so he's

1924
01:18:32,060 --> 01:18:28,120
basically like hey we should form a

1925
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:34,400
I was like [\h__\h] my life I don't want to

1926
01:18:38,690 --> 01:18:36,120
see that movie and then a great time a

1927
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:38,700
sequel is going to get smaller than the

1928
01:18:42,980 --> 01:18:40,410
original yeah

1929
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:42,990
don't use dark sides that you you know

1930
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:44,460
would be who you should have used to

1931
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:47,340
begin with or alluded to but also I'd

1932
01:18:49,820 --> 01:18:48,690
read that's where they're gonna take

1933
01:18:51,620 --> 01:18:49,830
this is they're gonna do is spin off

1934
01:18:53,540 --> 01:18:51,630
that's the Legion of Doom and not

1935
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:53,550
Justice League I'm like no one wants oh

1936
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:55,860
wait because you know DC did a wonderful

1937
01:19:00,860 --> 01:18:58,290
job with making an entire villain movie

1938
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:00,870
yeah no one wants to see that movie but

1939
01:19:05,180 --> 01:19:03,000
it did look cool Deathstroke looked I

1940
01:19:07,630 --> 01:19:05,190
mean yeah definitely look great so

1941
01:19:10,190 --> 01:19:07,640
there's that yeah

1942
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:10,200
Green shots yeah can I just say I'm

1943
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:13,080
actually a Suicide Squad apologist no

1944
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:17,250
just my applicants right yeah I I like

1945
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:20,130
all the things that people hate I look

1946
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:21,960
it wasn't a great movie but what I'll

1947
01:19:27,710 --> 01:19:24,090
say is a lot of the problems I have with

1948
01:19:29,660 --> 01:19:27,720
the DC's films they didn't bother me

1949
01:19:32,150 --> 01:19:29,670
they're like yeah there's no Humanity in

1950
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:32,160
this film it's about a bunch of bad guys

1951
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,110
of course there's not going to be but

1952
01:19:39,380 --> 01:19:36,960
it's like the most sexist film of all oh

1953
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,390
yeah no that was atrocious that was

1954
01:19:45,140 --> 01:19:42,480
really really bad they could have given

1955
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:45,150
somebody some shred of clothes some

1956
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:46,860
woman some shred of clothing and

1957
01:19:50,710 --> 01:19:49,140
ventually in that film and that would

1958
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:50,720
have been nice

1959
01:19:59,020 --> 01:19:53,250
no point no point whatsoever I'm so

1960
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:02,570
okay well alright so we might be getting

1961
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,130
a legion a new movie cool fine whatever

1962
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:07,560
here's what's pretty interesting guys we

1963
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:10,950
had thor ragnarok come out what Oh who's

1964
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:13,890
before this one oh yeah just just really

1965
01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:16,190
ruined this

1966
01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:18,390
[\h__\h] movie so didn't have to compete

1967
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:20,820
with anything Marvel ever does exactly

1968
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:23,970
Nick Chris in to your point - what a

1969
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:27,030
[\h__\h] you - DC Marvel did with first of

1970
01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:29,370
all thor ragnarok probably one of the

1971
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:31,230
best Marvel movies in my opinion

1972
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:34,620
hilarious awesome endearing heartwarming

1973
01:20:41,180 --> 01:20:38,280
very comic book II space astral sort of

1974
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:41,190
just ramen I [\h__\h] loved it and then I

1975
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:45,480
do and then what does Marvel do the day

1976
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:47,880
Justice League releases they drop the

1977
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:51,840
punishment what god damn middle finger

1978
01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:54,090
really good so far I just finished it's

1979
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,150
terrific

1980
01:21:00,380 --> 01:20:58,320
yeah I'm taking my time with that one

1981
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:00,390
it's it's it's hard it's hard with

1982
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:01,530
everything that's going on in the world

1983
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,930
today to watch someone just annihilate

1984
01:21:07,370 --> 01:21:05,760
people with but you don't deal with like

1985
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:07,380
the pts do you think I was like way to

1986
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,530
keep it top us all and bring Punisher

1987
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:12,960
into like the current day I was like

1988
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:15,780
look at you marble still not sucking yep

1989
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:17,400
yep you know they've had some hiccups

1990
01:21:22,610 --> 01:21:20,040
but in terms of that like here's here's

1991
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:22,620
the thing Thor if Thor hadn't been so

1992
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:24,990
goddamn funny I think Justice League

1993
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,670
might have done a little better I'm not

1994
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:28,320
gonna lie especially with bringing

1995
01:21:34,580 --> 01:21:30,890
weeded in but when you have someone like

1996
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:34,590
the gentleman who did thor ragnarok his

1997
01:21:43,330 --> 01:21:38,070
name's escaping me Taiki Tycho why is he

1998
01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:46,100
dog's best friend I did not know that oh

1999
01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:47,700
that's right not sure that's how the

2000
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:50,360
shake weight got into

2001
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:53,340
that's fair again brilliant writer

2002
01:21:58,820 --> 01:21:55,830
director and actor he was in Thor

2003
01:22:00,440 --> 01:21:58,830
Ragnarok as well without him having such

2004
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:00,450
a homerun with that movie I think

2005
01:22:05,210 --> 01:22:02,490
justice Lee suffered because they tried

2006
01:22:07,940 --> 01:22:05,220
so hard to put some humor and light into

2007
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:07,950
this film it's the top I mean in some

2008
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:10,230
ways yeah and everyone went to see Thor

2009
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:12,690
and then they went to see this and it

2010
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:15,780
could not it paled in comparison to the

2011
01:22:19,940 --> 01:22:17,640
humor that we had just seen two weeks

2012
01:22:21,380 --> 01:22:19,950
prior so and I think Chris you nailed

2013
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:21,390
the like there's enough humanity right

2014
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:22,950
there's no man in these films and so

2015
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,090
you're just kind of like well great it's

2016
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:26,580
funny but like great so you finally made

2017
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:27,810
something you try to put some quippy

2018
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,490
humor in a movie that's not working I

2019
01:22:33,380 --> 01:22:31,440
got more humanity from a Norse God that

2020
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:33,390
I got from any human superhero in

2021
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:35,820
Justice League let's put it yeah yeah

2022
01:22:40,130 --> 01:22:38,370
there's literally zero human beings in

2023
01:22:42,620 --> 01:22:40,140
that movie it depended where they're not

2024
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:42,630
you can't Hulk but it still felt more

2025
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:45,450
personal and more human than anything to

2026
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:47,490
happen in any of the DC films and it

2027
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,650
shows you that Marvel contained tonality

2028
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:51,360
completely changed the tone of the film

2029
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:53,340
in like whether you like that team you

2030
01:22:55,940 --> 01:22:54,540
know it still works because that

2031
01:22:58,100 --> 01:22:55,950
director is like I'm doing something

2032
01:23:00,439 --> 01:22:58,110
completely different and you realize

2033
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,449
they're like okay as long as you still

2034
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:02,400
do the things we need you to do to push

2035
01:23:08,180 --> 01:23:06,780
board Avengers go for it right I have

2036
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:08,190
one more thing sorry anyone else noticed

2037
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:11,670
like sorry no no this is much I loved

2038
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:13,980
Whedon be like yo Zack Snyder Clark Kent

2039
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:16,290
back the microcell anyone else noticed a

2040
01:23:21,109 --> 01:23:18,230
fact that faked

2041
01:23:23,149 --> 01:23:21,119
the cat's home forecloses at the

2042
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:23,159
beginning of the [\h__\h] movie uh-huh

2043
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,320
after Bruce Wayne pays for Clark Kent's

2044
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,360
funeral and then all of a sudden takes

2045
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:29,040
the end of the movie when he basically

2046
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:31,650
brings Superman back to like just by the

2047
01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:34,050
[\h__\h] bank so that they're homeless do

2048
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:35,070
you think the Bruce Wayne would be like

2049
01:23:41,959 --> 01:23:38,940
listen paid for your son's funeral sorry

2050
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,969
you're losing your house Yolo see ya I

2051
01:23:45,410 --> 01:23:43,679
was just like Bruce Wayne would've been

2052
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:45,420
like yo about the house yeah don't worry

2053
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,440
about it because you already know I'm

2054
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:48,960
Batman so [\h__\h] it honestly I was more

2055
01:23:53,060 --> 01:23:50,699
caught up by this whole thing with

2056
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:53,070
Batman Rose I know you shouldn't feel

2057
01:23:57,500 --> 01:23:55,020
like you killed best superman' no youyou

2058
01:24:00,260 --> 01:23:57,510
kills who you literally kill Superman

2059
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:00,270
Yeah right before that fight he was

2060
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:02,610
suffering from the kryptonite gas crab

2061
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,250
and and Lois goes oh no but you're too

2062
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:07,020
weak from the sipping and then he goes

2063
01:24:12,050 --> 01:24:09,810
off and gets beaten the crap out of and

2064
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:12,060
kills like no yeah Batman you literally

2065
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:15,540
killed Superman own it yeah yeah you

2066
01:24:23,149 --> 01:24:18,540
kill them sorry hey own that [\h__\h]

2067
01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:23,159
alright guys final thought does the DC /

2068
01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:25,710
Warner Brothers franchise do they have a

2069
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:27,480
future are we going to see more movies

2070
01:24:31,930 --> 01:24:29,310
and if so are you going to see them

2071
01:24:37,729 --> 01:24:35,300
okay I'll I'll go first I guess so to

2072
01:24:40,689 --> 01:24:37,739
start with the first question is there a

2073
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:40,699
future I I think yes and I think until

2074
01:24:46,459 --> 01:24:44,070
all the comic book movies start to

2075
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:46,469
decline I think there will always be

2076
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,530
more DC films the question for me is

2077
01:24:53,450 --> 01:24:51,600
whether or not they keep making them at

2078
01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:53,460
this scale and I think for the

2079
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:55,739
foreseeable future the answer is yes I

2080
01:25:00,200 --> 01:24:57,780
think there's just way too much money to

2081
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:00,210
be made I don't think we're gonna see a

2082
01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:02,130
lot of the creative teams back I think

2083
01:25:05,689 --> 01:25:03,750
you're going to see less focus on Henry

2084
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:05,699
Cavill and Ben Affleck and more focus on

2085
01:25:09,979 --> 01:25:08,580
gal gadot and Jason Momoa I think you're

2086
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:09,989
going to see a new director I think

2087
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:12,710
you're gonna see a new take I think you

2088
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:16,210
may even see a largely revamped

2089
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:19,370
storyline in which I think that the idea

2090
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:21,710
of a legion of doom film is largely

2091
01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:25,840
alluding to so I suppose in

2092
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:29,080
ingest and I

2093
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:31,310
simply yes I there's gonna be lots more

2094
01:25:37,690 --> 01:25:34,300
am I going to go see them

2095
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:37,700
I'll probably see them on HBO Netflix

2096
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,370
wherever they go and I'll see the the

2097
01:25:45,790 --> 01:25:42,800
big big big ones in the movie theater

2098
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:45,800
when Nick drags me to them Nick yeah I

2099
01:25:49,930 --> 01:25:48,290
think there is I think that I think

2100
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:49,940
Chris is right I think tonality I think

2101
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:51,410
two things in math I think you're gonna

2102
01:25:56,050 --> 01:25:54,800
see Wonder Woman be the flagship of the

2103
01:25:58,270 --> 01:25:56,060
franchise which i think is a really

2104
01:26:00,010 --> 01:25:58,280
smart choice and I think DC they hit

2105
01:26:01,390 --> 01:26:00,020
that right they got that first they were

2106
01:26:03,190 --> 01:26:01,400
like listen we finally made a good

2107
01:26:05,050 --> 01:26:03,200
strong Chris might be a good strong

2108
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:05,060
female centric region like we've got

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this we've got this on lock so we're

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gonna run with that I think you're gonna

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see them build out from there I do think

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you're gonna see in our Superman movie

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because his directors who want to do it

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mm-hmm Matthew Vaughn has come out and

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said I wanna I want to do Superman film

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but I want to do an updated version of

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the Christopher Reeve film wish you know

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01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:23,060
sue man will in fact punch something but

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then also he is still a symbol of hope

2120
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:27,920
blah blah blah blah blah which to all

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the Superman fans out there we were like

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01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:31,570
yes you're second right

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so I think that like as Kristin I think

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as you see the Snyder creative team

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depart and you see these new teams come

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01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:40,760
in the patty Jenkins as they as Jeff

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01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:43,280
John gains more control yeah I think

2128
01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:45,020
you're gonna see yeah you're gonna keep

2129
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:46,190
seeing them and I think that they might

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01:26:50,290 --> 01:26:48,710
start taking the turn my fear is that I

2131
01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:50,300
don't know if they can rebound like if

2132
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,910
Aquaman's not good I think you might see

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01:26:57,550 --> 01:26:54,560
it start whittling down to like Wonder

2134
01:26:59,020 --> 01:26:57,560
Woman and just and like maybe some these

2135
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:59,030
other officer characters like Shazam

2136
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:00,800
people that are less known they feel

2137
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:03,560
they can do more chances with but you're

2138
01:27:07,210 --> 01:27:05,090
never gonna see Batman go away he's too

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01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:07,220
much of a moneymaker yeah I mean and I

2140
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:09,590
think man I think is because people want

2141
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:11,000
to make that movie and I think the our

2142
01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:12,290
directors don't wanna make that movie

2143
01:27:16,210 --> 01:27:14,540
right I think you're still gonna see

2144
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them I just don't think it until they

2145
01:27:19,390 --> 01:27:17,750
slow down and they're like we're gonna

2146
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:19,400
take our time you're just not gonna see

2147
01:27:22,990 --> 01:27:21,110
it reached a level of what Marvel's able

2148
01:27:25,940 --> 01:27:23,000
to do umbrellas gonna be a like phase 14

2149
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:25,950
yeah and still making good movies I I I

2150
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:29,100
think I think I would have to say that

2151
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:31,710
would DC the future is definitely female

2152
01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:34,590
I think Wonder Woman is going to be the

2153
01:27:38,450 --> 01:27:36,630
anchor for this franchise for the

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01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:38,460
foreseeable future whether or not Ben

2155
01:27:43,730 --> 01:27:40,530
Affleck comes back I do see Batman also

2156
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:43,740
being another one and yeah I I have to

2157
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:45,480
agree guys would I pay to go see another

2158
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:48,900
one of these movies I don't I will oh I

2159
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:50,520
will I'll see them all I see all that

2160
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:52,440
just throwing money at it you know what

2161
01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:54,060
I mean at the end of the day guys it's

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01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:56,100
superheroes on the big screen I think

2163
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:57,780
you make a good point Nick I say that

2164
01:28:03,710 --> 01:28:00,540
now but once those trailers come out the

2165
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:03,720
hype begins the you know you want you

2166
01:28:09,490 --> 01:28:06,390
want to see these characters living and

2167
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:09,500
breathing I probably will but

2168
01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:13,470
I'm not you know waiting guys it's like

2169
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,660
Superman symbol it's hope I just have

2170
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:17,280
hope I just like go there with my

2171
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:20,010
Superman shirt and I go means hope and I

2172
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:21,360
guess that's the point as long as

2173
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:22,890
there's hope that they'll turn it around

2174
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,560
and make a better film there's every

2175
01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:28,080
chance we'll we'll keep comin exactly

2176
01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:30,750
and if anything guys we've got Star Wars

2177
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:33,590
in a few weeks Oh God

2178
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:35,610
giving more of that money to the other

2179
01:28:44,510 --> 01:28:42,650
if you buy facts and make some x-men

2180
01:28:47,150 --> 01:28:44,520
movies you can have my money there too

2181
01:28:49,220 --> 01:28:47,160
yeah well I'm calling it now guys you're

2182
01:28:51,340 --> 01:28:49,230
coming back for the Star Wars Episode oh

2183
01:28:53,660 --> 01:28:51,350
please do I'll be there

2184
01:28:56,180 --> 01:28:53,670
absolutely I can't thank you enough for

2185
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,190
coming on today for hashing out this

2186
01:29:01,460 --> 01:28:58,800
movie with us I really am looking

2187
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:01,470
forward to this this marriage between

2188
01:29:06,170 --> 01:29:03,930
third Khan productions and two dumb dads

2189
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,180
and what you guys got going on over

2190
01:29:09,860 --> 01:29:08,400
there so when you have any information

2191
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:09,870
coming out about when you're gonna

2192
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:12,780
release that please let me know any any

2193
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:15,810
dads out there whether you're a veteran

2194
01:29:21,380 --> 01:29:17,970
or a newbie I think you'll definitely

2195
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:21,390
learn something I did and I know we're

2196
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:23,220
near organs if you just like yeah I

2197
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:24,770
argue about [\h__\h]

2198
01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:26,610
yeah most importantly if you're a

2199
01:29:31,690 --> 01:29:30,120
veteran dad please call listen you know

2200
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:31,700
that's my

2201
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:34,890
recommendation you can give us that's

2202
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,930
perfect well guys where can we find each

2203
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:38,960
of you if any of the listeners one reach

2204
01:29:46,270 --> 01:29:41,840
out oh sure I was going to say I'm CMOS

2205
01:29:48,490 --> 01:29:46,280
55 on on Oh what the hell is the big one

2206
01:29:50,770 --> 01:29:48,500
Twitter on the Twitter which man Twitter

2207
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:50,780
I am I'm honestly not sure if this is

2208
01:29:54,910 --> 01:29:52,250
the right Twitter I should probably

2209
01:29:56,500 --> 01:29:54,920
check before I say that but yeah I'm on

2210
01:29:58,150 --> 01:29:56,510
the Twitter somewhere you can find me

2211
01:30:00,400 --> 01:29:58,160
tweeting and [\h__\h] inand know whatever

2212
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:00,410
there you do on that thing yeah so I'm

2213
01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:01,970
kind of all over the place first of all

2214
01:30:06,460 --> 01:30:03,230
Ryan thanks for having us on this very

2215
01:30:07,930 --> 01:30:06,470
long episode yeah I think you can well

2216
01:30:10,030 --> 01:30:07,940
thanks buddy

2217
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,040
you can find me on Facebook I have my

2218
01:30:14,170 --> 01:30:11,840
personal one I have my actor page

2219
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:14,180
Instagram the that's pretty much just

2220
01:30:18,910 --> 01:30:16,130
pictures of my kid I'm on the

2221
01:30:21,490 --> 01:30:18,920
Twitterverse and Westie and West amaya

2222
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:21,500
and soon as we get things moving you can

2223
01:30:25,090 --> 01:30:23,510
find probably Chris and I both at two

2224
01:30:27,310 --> 01:30:25,100
done dad's which was a Facebook group

2225
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:27,320
and Twitter and all that so we're both

2226
01:30:30,670 --> 01:30:29,150
around and you know we're kind of

2227
01:30:32,260 --> 01:30:30,680
connected at the hip now though we've

2228
01:30:35,650 --> 01:30:32,270
been for the last 15 years so what can I

2229
01:30:38,380 --> 01:30:35,660
say yeah we need a surgery love it

2230
01:30:41,650 --> 01:30:38,390
awesome guys thank you again for coming

2231
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:41,660
on summary these guys remain hopeful

2232
01:30:47,210 --> 01:30:43,970
that DC has a future and we will speak

2233
01:30:47,620 --> 01:30:47,220
soon thank you

2234
01:30:49,650 --> 01:30:47,630
[Applause]

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do battle and stuff but full